Oh yeah 100R1, the mileage is stored in the odometer bearings...duh!

 

Quite possibly the most ill-advised first post in internet forum history.

 

Sounded like a reasonable question,

nice job, slam a new members first post ....

 

That was not a slam, just an unsuccessful attempt at some humor.

 

kind of like sending the new guy on the crew for a dozen semen filled donuts. Or maybe I just don't take things all that seriously... but my jobsites are fun.
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Not trying to be funny
Not trying to commit fraud

Trying to learn more about how and where the Milage and hours are stored on my Motorhome on a Ford E350. It's a '06 v10 Torqshift. I purchased it with less than 3,000 miles. I know that for the most part RV's are not daily drivers. So the milage could be realistic. The price was to good to pass up, the condition is like showroom. But there are no maintenance logs. The Serpetine belt pullys have more wear on them (paint has wore off) Than I have seen from other vehicles I have owned for the milage.

Perhaps I asked my question in the wrong thread and could be considered hijacking (Sorry), but I thought the question was relavent to the original posters wanting to disco the "Obometer". I have know people that have done such if you just pull the cluster plug you will set off codes. So why would you want to any ways ?

Just take care of your truck and enjoy the ride. High milage is the cost of loving our vehicles.
Joke removed

I have a sense of humor and can take a punch (and give one also) as well as anyone else.....Anyone else Own Ford (F) stock ? Ouch I also Own GM (GM) Now thats a bad joke!

 

The belt pulley can be worn because of allot of idle time and not mileage. I would check the Carfax and Oasis and see if they show anything fishy.

BTW Welcome to FTE!

 

You can't. The PCM keeps track of it, as well as the dash cluster.

If you unhook anything that shows the PCM what speed you're going, you'll not only shut off the odometer, but the speedo, the ABS, the airbag system (it needs to know how fast you're going so it doesn't deploy when you're not going fast enough) and the tranmissions won't shift.

It's basically impossible unless you are a PCM hacker.

And it's illegal.

Now, go down to the diesel forums and check out how to remove your DPF, your EGR or any other emissions equipment which is ALSO ILLEGAL to remove

 

you could run oversize tires

 

Technically, any just about any modification that is made to the drivetrain of a vehicle can be considered illegal. Most programmers probably are, as they are certified by Ford to not affect the emissions system of the vehicle. It is also a federal regulation to apply a label under the hood if the engine calibration is changed. I think a lot of it slides by because it is hard to track etc. They did burn caspers for the 02 simulators a while back.

I don't know of any specific exceptions but if such mods don't carry some sort of federal or CARB certification exemption, then most likely they would be considered illegal. Headers, exhaust, intake, air filter. But I don't really want to open up a can of worms, just don't sit too high and mighty about "illegal" modifications. Some are just more evident and gross violations than others. Food for thought.

Odometer tampering is a little different though.

 

i dont know about all 50 states, but in the ones ive lived in it wasnt illegal to unhook an odometer unless you tried to sell the vehicle and claimed that to be the actual mileage. as long as you checked the "not actual mileage" box on the title you were fine. theres also a law in tennessee that you cant sue or be sued for odometer fraud on a vehicle thats over 10 years old. "actual mileage" is only required on vehicles 10 years old or newer here. other states may be like that as well. warranty fraud would be his biggest issue.

as far as illegal emissions modifications, that varies state by state as well. in tennessee(and other states that dont require inspection stickers) you can do whatever you want to your vehicle the day you sign the papers. it will void your warranty, but isnt illegal. egr's, dpf, cats, etc are only required by law on the sale of NEW vehicles. once it leaves the lot its up the state to make the laws.

i live in tn, but im about 5 minutes from the va state line. in tn youre not even required to have a hood on your car. i can be working on my car, have the hood off, take it out for a test drive, etc and its fine. but in va youre not even allowed to have a fiberglass hood unless your car came with one from the factory. so if i put my cowl hood on my mustang, drive 5 minutes and cross the va line they can impound my car, give me a ticket, and destroy my hood. one of my cousins found that out the hard way.... mufflers arent required in tn, but they are in va. so if i crossed the state line to fill up with gas, i could get a ticket for not having OEM mufflers even though im not a resident. i found that one out the hard way..... so before making any modification like that its a good idea to not only know the laws of your state, but the states youll be driving through as well.

 

quick clarification here. mufflers arent required in tn unless not having them causes your vehicle to "make excessive or an unusual noise and annoying smoke." but even then you only get a noise ordinance violation. found that out the hard way too lol. i got a noise ordinance ticket for excessive noise from a non-mufflered car and i had to put mufflers on it, take it to the police station and have them run a decible test on it. at 3k rpm i had to be below something like 80 decibles. so its more of a noise issue than an emissions issue.

 

Not entirely accurate, emissions are "fed" not state.

State safety inspections vary from state to state but emissions must comply w/ fed.

In Va. you may run a fiberglass hood, and mufflers are not required for state inspection. Mufflers are not emissions related,you may remove them,but the exhaust can not leak.

However...you can get a ticket for "noise". Makes sense ?

Not saying those things didn't happen to you and your cousin,but evidently the LEO's need to look at the laws again.

(or they are trying to keep you out of VA.)

 

how can they enforce an emissions law when its not in the state law book and they have no way to even check it? va state law book says vehicles must have a working cat. there is a sliding scale based on the amount of emissions it can put out based on how old the vehicle is. we used to run a garage/inspection sticker place in va, so i used to be familiar with what those amounts were, but thats been several years back. tn state law books only require that a vehicle have a windshield, bumper, door, and a muffler to prevent excessive noise. other than that, youre good. no mention what so ever on emissions.

when we owned our garage in va we werent allowed to remove the cats from a customers car because it violated state law and we would get in trouble for removing them. sometimes cops hide out in the bushes across the road from your garage and watch you do it, catch you in the act, put handcuffs on your dad, lecture him for about 20 minutes on why its wrong and then tell him to straighten up or they will take his inspection sticker license away lol. yeah, learned that the hard way too. but in tn, muffler shops can cut the cats off anything they want. usually as soon as i buy a car/truck ill take it and have the cats cut off and sell them for about $100 a piece.

when i got caught for my noise ordinance violation i had just put the engine in my mustang and it had nothing but long tube headers on it. i was driving it to the muffler shop to get the exhaust put on it and you know how we are with our new toys.....i pulled out and got on it and went past a cop turning about 5 grand lol. he looked under my car and saw it had no exhaust at all and just told me to get it below ~80 decibels and id be fine.

 

here is a quote from a tennessee lawmaker-"Change is hard for people. But there will be a day that Tennessee has emissions laws, and when that day comes, we'll already be here."

this is from our state lawbook-
Does everyone have to have an emissions test?

No. Only gas or diesel-fueled vehicles weighing up to 10,500 pounds, that will be registered in Davidson, Hamilton, Rutherford, Sumner, Williamson, and Wilson counties, as well as those registered in Memphis, will have to undergo emissions testing before they can be registered or have their registrations renewed.