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Old May 15, 2009 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by phillips91
ok, so in my posts i told the guy that its not illegal to unhook his odometer unless he tries to sell the truck and pass it off as actual mileage or tries to commit warranty fraud. am i correct here? No

the way i look at it is, if its not in the lawbooks and you cant get a ticket for it, then its not illegal.
US Code Title 49 Section 32703

A person may not -
(1) advertise for sale, sell, use, install, or have installed,
a device that makes an odometer of a motor vehicle register a
mileage different from the mileage the vehicle was driven, as
registered by the odometer within the designed tolerance of the
manufacturer of the odometer;
(2) disconnect, reset, alter, or have disconnected, reset, or
altered, an odometer of a motor vehicle intending to change the
mileage registered by the odometer
;
(3) with intent to defraud, operate a motor vehicle on a
street, road, or highway if the person knows that the odometer of
the vehicle is disconnected or not operating; or
(4) conspire to violate this section or section 32704 or 32705
of this title.

It's illegal, and it's on the books.
 
Old May 15, 2009 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveBricks
US Code Title 49 Section 32703

A person may not -
(1) advertise for sale, sell, use, install, or have installed,
a device that makes an odometer of a motor vehicle register a
mileage different from the mileage the vehicle was driven, as
registered by the odometer within the designed tolerance of the
manufacturer of the odometer;
(2) disconnect, reset, alter, or have disconnected, reset, or
altered, an odometer of a motor vehicle intending to change the
mileage registered by the odometer;
(3) with intent to defraud, operate a motor vehicle on a
street, road, or highway if the person knows that the odometer of
the vehicle is disconnected or not operating; or
(4) conspire to violate this section or section 32704 or 32705
of this title.

It's illegal, and it's on the books.
once again, this is where the state law comes into play as well. tn state law says that you are not allowed to claim "actual mileage" on a vehicle that is over 10 years old and you can not be sued or sue for odometer fraud on a vehicle that is over 10 years old. if you buy a vehicle that is over 10 years old in tn they dont even put the mileage on the title.
 
Old May 15, 2009 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveBricks
US Code Title 49 Section 32703

It's illegal, and it's on the books.
just did a little research on it and looks like im right...... i just checked the NHTSA website and it backs up what i was saying. that if you unhook an odometer you are required to put it in writing that its not the actual mileage (by checking the "not actual mileage" box on the title) and that if the vehicle is over 10 years old it doesnt matter what you do to it.

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" align=left><TBODY><TR><TD class=nhtsa-mainContentAreaDetail-title colSpan=2>Odometer Information Overview for Consumers</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7 colSpan=2></TD></TR><TR><TD height=5 colSpan=2></TD></TR><TR><TD class=nhtsa-mainContentAreaDetail-body colSpan=2>The Federal odometer law, 49 U.S.C. Chapter 327 (Public Law 103-272), prohibits the disconnection, resetting, or alteration of a motor vehicle's odometer with intent to change the number of miles indicated thereon. The law requires that a written disclosure of the mileage registered on an odometer be provided by the seller to the purchaser on the title to the vehicle when the ownership of a vehicle is transferred. If the odometer mileage is incorrect, the law requires a statement to that effect to be furnished on the title to the buyer. However, vehicles ten years old and older are exempt from the written disclosure requirements.


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Old May 15, 2009 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by phillips91
just did a little research on it and looks like im right...... i just checked the NHTSA website and it backs up what i was saying. that if you unhook an odometer you are required to put it in writing that its not the actual mileage (by checking the "not actual mileage" box on the title) and that if the vehicle is over 10 years old it doesnt matter what you do to it.
I'll only say that the op ( who hasn't posted again and was probably just trolling in the first place) supposedly had an '08.
 
Old May 15, 2009 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveBricks
I'll only say that the op ( who hasn't posted again and was probably just trolling in the first place) supposedly had an '08.
thats what im getting at. his vehicle is newer than 10 years old, so he is required by law to notify anyone if he does anything to the odometer. if he wants to go outside right now and unhook it just because hes bored and wants something to do, there is nothing wrong with that. but if he drives 100k miles and then hooks it back up and tries to fool ford into doing warranty work then he is guilty of warranty fraud. if he drives it 100k miles and then hooks it back up and tries to sell it as a vehicle with 30k miles then he is guilty of odometer fraud. its not the unhooking of it that makes it illegal, its what you do with it afterwards.
 
Old May 15, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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I thought things were only illegal if you get caught...LOL!!
 
Old May 15, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mikesmayhem
I thought things were only illegal if you get caught...LOL!!
Sadly, this is a prevailing way of thinking in today's world. No wonder we're declining as a society.

All I can do about it is to be personally honest.....

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Old May 16, 2009 | 08:14 AM
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Yeah Pop, there is no morals anymore, especially with the younger generation. It is all about "ME" and no longer about "US." It is such a sad state. I see it every day in my work. If they can screw you over, they will. And not even kiss you when they do it.

I blame it all on taking prayer and discipline out of the schools and the parents attitude today. They let their kids run wild and all over everybody. It is to the point now that you cannot even enjoy a night out in a restaurant without having to put up with a bunch of damn uncontrollable screaming kids terrorizing the place. And if you say something to them, they get all offensive and defensive about it. I have walked out of many places of business because of it telling the management that I would not be back.

I guess that is one of the many reasons that I joined the Moose. We do not tolerate that kind of behavior from kids or adults. You get out of line even with your mouth, you get one warning. The second time, you get ask to leave and then you get to face the officers to explain your action. Usually one trip there and that is all it takes. I have not been in another club or bar since joining. No reason to. I feel safe there.
 
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Old May 16, 2009 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pmasley
I blame it all on taking prayer and discipline out of the schools and the parents attitude today. They let their kids run wild and all over everybody. It is to the point now that you cannot even enjoy a night out in a restaurant without having to put up with a bunch of damn uncontrollable screaming kids terrorizing the place. And if you say something to them, they get all offensive and defensive about it. I have walked out of many places of business because of it telling the management that I would not be back.
i couldnt agree with you more here. a lot of it ive seen has to do with not only the parents, but the laws as well. my ex wife told me that when we had kids we were never going to spank them because her parents spanked her and it hurt. well no crap, thats the point of it. a lot of parents have that attitude, that spanking hurt, so theyll never do it to their kids. and they just let them run wild and do whatever they want. some states(maybe all, im not sure) have made spanking your kids illegal and a lot of parents are afraid to do it because they think theyll be charged with child abuse. i think too many parents today are trying to be friends with their kids and letting the kids run the show instead of being what they are, a parent.
 
Old May 16, 2009 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by phillips91

this is from our state lawbook-
Does everyone have to have an emissions test?

No. Only gas or diesel-fueled vehicles weighing up to 10,500 pounds, that will be registered in Davidson, Hamilton, Rutherford, Sumner, Williamson, and Wilson counties, as well as those registered in Memphis, will have to undergo emissions testing before they can be registered or have their registrations renewed.
This is exactly right. this is the law here in TN. I live here in Rutherford county and on my old 82 F100 i didnt have catylitic converters they failed me 4 times. i kept hoping i would slide through without them checking with the mirror but didnt.

Originally Posted by pmasley
I blame it all on taking prayer and discipline out of the schools and the parents attitude today. They let their kids run wild and all over everybody. It is to the point now that you cannot even enjoy a night out in a restaurant without having to put up with a bunch of damn uncontrollable screaming kids terrorizing the place. And if you say something to them, they get all offensive and defensive about it. I have walked out of many places of business because of it telling the management that I would not be back.
this is just bout exactly whats wrong. heck im only 18 but i know this is whats wrong with the youth of our country. they have no discipline. the parents wanna be their kids "FRIEND" and thats is just stupid.
 
Old May 16, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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therre is no respect or manors neither no more yes sir or thank you its just,you better gimmy that now.... and whatever!!!!!!
 
Old May 16, 2009 | 12:25 PM
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Come on, some of us younger generation still run things old school. My 7 and 3 year old daughters are well versed and will by god speak to adults with the upmost respect. If for some reason they get a little out of line "like all kids do sometimes" the wife has a paddle in her purse and I have a belt on. It is however increasingly hard to run a tight ship, with all the other kids being complete hooligans. I think I may start using my belt on their parents, whip this country back into shape one idiot at a time.
 
Old May 16, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by WeWonIt
I think I may start using my belt on their parents, whip this country back into shape one idiot at a time.
That is exactly what needs to happen. Along with the "Supposed Elected Leaders" that caused this screwed up mess to begin with. I am not my kids friend, never was, never will be. I am their parent. My oldest is 36 and my youngest is 20. Either one gets out of line, and they know what is coming. Even my ladies kids know I mean business when I have had enough. If you count them all, including the two that disowned me after raising them (the x's 2), I have 10. All it takes is for me just to let them know I am upset and they straighten up. That is respect. They don't want the old man mad at them. I only had to bust my youngest duaghters *** once when she was about four. She moped for two days from that one. Guess she did not expect daddy to bust "Daddy's Little Girl's ***." She found out different. Now all I have to do is look at her hurt and it kills her. Now that is respect.

If one of mine jumped in my face the way I see kids do today, they would come to their senses after they picked their *** up off of the floor. I saw a six year old boy call his mother a bitch for not buying him something in the store. If he had said something like that to me, his *** would have been beared and got it busted right there in the store.

My stepson had always been a smartass. He finally figured that I was a tougher old bird than he thought when he threatened one night to hit my x. I stepped between them and told him that he had the hammer cocked, use it. Before he did, I hit him so hard in the chest that he slid backwards up the carpet about ten feet putting the prettiest set of carpet burns on his *** and heels you ever saw. His smart assed attitude towards me changed after that. He knew that he was big enough to get hit back if he threatened me.
 
Old May 16, 2009 | 01:20 PM
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Man, this guy is shameless. FoMoCo is really the only American manufacturer that isn't going belly-up these days. The last thing they need are some punks wringing out extra free service
 
Old May 16, 2009 | 01:40 PM
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Jack,

Shameless, no, Product of today's 'Screw Everybody Society' yes. I would dare bet that he is either still milking at home off of his mommy with everything still being handed to him or he has figured out a way to live off of society without having to work to get what he needs to survive.
 



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