Your pinky!?

Man I hope I'm wrong so I don't have to find a place to put all of that crap!

 

Yea you missed out the good thing was I got to pick the fords.
I had to go ahead and rep you for that ar 15 anyway that was pretty slick.
All your mopar stuff may be a collectors items pretty quick, if your lucky ford will just buy them to have a cheap line or somrthing.

 

They don't have enough skilled workforce to build MOPARS at the Phord factories.
They'll have to leave it up to Fiat!

Wait, that didn't sound right.

 

Yea fiat MIGHT be able to make something out of a dodge.

 

I would like to see a Hemi 4-popper powered 2 seat roadster. That would be cool. Slap a supercharger on it and I'd be interested.

 

Just might happen read a comparison on the camaros, challengers and the shelby mustangs a couple days ago and because of the weight the challengers come out on the loosing end. Also said the camaro was a moot point as it is not likely to come out now, they all looked good though gotta love the old styling.

 

It's going to be hard for the new up-starts to beat the '05-up Mustangs. There's too many variations and too much of a head-start. I've never seen a Mustang I would personally like to own up until recently, they were too much of a "secretay's car" as Shelby put it 45 years ago.
I think the new Camaro is UGLY and they don't have an option YET that can compete with the hot Mustangs and SRT-8 Challengers.
I'll still go with a 5.7L, 6-speed manual Challenger in about ten years, when I can hopefully afford one. If they quit making them though they are going to be a HOT Collector's item forever.
I'll throw on some suspension mods and a supercharger, throw in some $20 a gallon premium 91 octane and go hunting for some other guy that's not driving an electric car or a hybrid to race against.

 

In about 10 years, you may not be able to get 91 octane, and if ChryCo folds the tent, where are going to find parts for one a these cars?

Obama gave ChryCo 30 days to come up with a merger partner, or they get no more bailout bucks. The clock is ticking, they have 10 days remaining.

Without a merger partner, ChryCo will go Chapter 7 bankrupt. Their Chrysler, Dodge, Dodge Trucks and Jeep Divisions will be sold off for peanuts...if...buyers can be found,

 

I'm not sure what the numbers are but I'll bet a good 30% of the cars on the road are barely or not at all supported by the origional manufacturer. They survive on the aftermarket and wrecking yards. MOST of my trucks are almost impossible to get factory parts for and they still get driven regularly. Sometimes it's a major pain in the butt to find parts but I always have.

If GM and Chrysler go down Ford won't be far behind. If you don't think so why was Ford sitting with the other two while they were begging for OUR money. They know it's bad for them if one, or both, of the others fail.

I personally think if either company goes bankrupt they will come back better and stronger afterwards. It will take 10 years or more but the fat will have been cut.
Yes a lot of people will get hurt in the process too.

If the pieces ARE sold off at bargain prices there WILL be buyers for it. There are A LOT of vehicles out there that will need parts and who better to sell them to them than the person who owns the name and equipment.
Besides the great Obama has promised to stand behind GM and Chrysler warranties. Chrysler has offered a limetime warranty for like a year or two now. How is UncleSam going to warranty a vehicle if he can't get the parts. I'd LOVE to be in the buisness of selling Obama the ONLY parts to fix the vehicles he has obligated himself to warrantying for LIFE!

 

wow people must not like me that much lol i only have 11

 

I can weigh in a little on that one. The president of Fiat is playing hardball on the possibility of a merger. He wants the unionized workers to basically get their pay and benafits cut in half or he will walk away from the deal. He mentioned the UAW but made the point to single out the canadian auto workers union in his remarks.

I'll admit to being a bit of a union basher so bear that in mind with what I am about to say. The CAW president Ken Lewenza seems to be living in a different universe. I can understand that his job is to fight for higher wages no matter what, but what he doesn't seem to realize is that if his union doesn't take the huge pay cut for chrysler, they will be out of work completely. This is chapter 7 we are talking about, not chapter 11. With chapter 7, the company goes into full liquidation and never comes back again.

After that, Fiat could probably still come in later to peck at chrysler's carcass and possibly even re open a few of their plants. Its not like many other car makers are in the mood to buy up old assembly plants. All with workers that may or may not even be unionized and will probably be paid in the range of $14-$20/hour instead of $40-$70. Fiat's president is not stupid thats for sure.

The canadian governemnt is also saying that it won't give chrysler any more money if this deal falls through. I think governments on both sides of the 49th have gone over and above what was expected under the circumstances. Sooner or later, you have to cut them loose.

Ford on the other hand.....just wow. Despite being the first to post a major loss when this all started a couple years ago, seems to be doing just fine without bailout money. Go ford!!!

 

Why Fiat would want any part of ChryCo, I'll never know. Their current financial position isn't that strong and Fiat has an awful reputation in the US after selling crap for years.

It's no joke that Fiat translates to: Fix it again, Tony.

Remember the awful Yugo? That POS was nothing more than a rebadged Fiat 124.

In 2006, FoMoCo put up all their company assets in order to get a 23 billion dollar loan to stave off bankruptcy.

This and the sales of Jaguar (which Ford lost an estimated 20 BILLION dollars on), Land Rover and Aston Martin are the only reasons why FoMoCo isn't standing in line with their hat in their hand asking for bailout bucks.

Bottom line: Ford is mortgaged to the hilt. And...if the economy doesn't improve by December 2009, it will be absolutely necessary for FoMoCo to get some Gov't assistance.

btw: Jaguar never made one cent of profit for FoMoCo.

 

I agree with all of that 110%

 

if ford gos under where me get are ome parts from

 

I don't think ford will go under. Even if they do it will be more of a restructuring sutuation like what GM will be facing than a liquidation like what chrysler is facing.

The Yugo did share some parts with the older Fiats of the era, but it is a bit of a stretch to call it a fiat. It was more of a mutt with some ideas take from fiat under license and the car was built in yugoslavia. From what I hear, fiat has a decent reputation in europe today and is doing fairly well.

The reason Fiat might want chrysler now is to try and make another attempt at the north american market since they already have compact and subcompact cars that get good fuel economy. It is a risky move to try and aquire chrysler, but as you can see they're driving a hard bargain that might not even go though. Mitsubishi recently returned to north america as well, so as the big 3 get weaker, offshore car makers are trying to push into the worlds biggest car market.