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you will need the 460 bellhousing, frame mounts, 460 flywheel, and I think its an 11in clutch. You can also get the bellhousing from a 400 or 351m but you will need the 400 flywheel.
 
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I found a 460! =D its in a 1988 ford van for $500. it has EFI and i heard that its complete garbage so ill put a 4-barrel air intake and carb. i just have a few questions, since this ford is made to meet emission standards did they do anything to the heads like have smaller valves or anything dumb like that? i dont want to have a 460 that doesnt have any *****. also is the pulley arrangement any different since it has that dumb stubby nose on it? will it all work in my truck okay.
 
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i have a 460 in my 86 f250 4x4 with t18.she's stock except the edelbrock carb,and aurora coil.that sob pulls.tons of bottom end.hell you can start in fourth gear.love that truck just can't afford the gas ,10 mpg.when i moved i had my slide in camper in it,loaded.and a 16 foot enclosed trailer loaded.we moved from the foot hill of the rocky's to the prairies.never had to drop a gear on those climbs,didn't get warm ether.that combo loves to work.like i said she get 10mpg loaded or empty.
 
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I found a 460! =D its in a 1988 ford van for $500. it has EFI and i heard that its complete garbage so ill put a 4-barrel air intake and carb. i just have a few questions, since this ford is made to meet emission standards did they do anything to the heads like have smaller valves or anything dumb like that? i dont want to have a 460 that doesnt have any *****. also is the pulley arrangement any different since it has that dumb stubby nose on it? will it all work in my truck okay.
The 1988 EFI is most likely a speed density style. and you will have to find diffrent heads to mount a carb. manifold.The head to intake manifold angles are different. I belive you need 87 or older heads that were built for carb. intakes. If you stay with the 88 block you will need the computer for it and your choices of cams are really limited for the speed desity motor, unless you buy the newer stlyle of aftermarket comuter for that engineabout 1,400.00 found this info. on the search feature here when working on my 460.Good luck with your project and lots of research will save you lots of headache in the end.
 
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actually it might be cheaper to buy a truck that already has this set up.i bought mine for 600 bucks.needed nothing for a safety.you might find a rust bucket and you will have everything you need on the doner truck.just a thought.
 
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i have a 460 in my 86 f250 4x4 with t18.she's stock except the edelbrock carb,and aurora coil.that sob pulls.tons of bottom end.hell you can start in fourth gear.love that truck just can't afford the gas ,10 mpg.when i moved i had my slide in camper in it,loaded.and a 16 foot enclosed trailer loaded.we moved from the foot hill of the rocky's to the prairies.never had to drop a gear on those climbs,didn't get warm ether.that combo loves to work.like i said she get 10mpg loaded or empty.

I'm probably going to pick up a 460 a few towns away from me for $400 with all the brackets and everything out of an 86, its like 75 cents a cubic inch lol. I was just worndering if your truck hauls *** with the 460 and the 4-speed because i have the same tranny. My truck is slow as hell right now and i was it to have more pep and *****. i put a 4" lift with 35's and i cant pull my trailer as easy as i used to because my gears are higher now from the taller tires. i get 10mpgwith my 351w. When there is no load does it take off pretty good or does it just chug along? what kind of mileage do you get in the city and highway, i get 10mpg with my 351w city and 15 or so highway. I'm having a hard time choosing if i want to build my motor or do the 460 . i also heard the bellhousings crack ...do you know of any cons besides the gas mileage this motor has? I have a 1996 Toyota i use as a daily driver and my truck is my for fun so gas doesnt matter to much just so long as i dont get 5mpg or something.

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the 35's and 3.55 gears are whats sucking up your power....change the gears 4.10's or 4.56's
 
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gas milage with a 460 isnt to bad, because no matter what your doing it gets the same mpg. stock gets about 10mpg and I get about 8mpg with mine thats around 450 hp.
 
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that 460 does get up and move 0 to 75 in no time,and when you pass somebody i don't have to drop a gear,just floor it and go,my tires are a little bit taller than stock.from gps to speedo65 mph 2600 rpm.i will be putting in zf trans one day to bring down rpm's.
 
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I'm going this weekend to go buy a 460, its out of a 1986 f-250. My dad is an "ASE certified Advanced level specialist, master technician" and owns an auto repair shop i Daytona Beach, FL. He keeps trying to talk me out of the 460 but im just going to go buy the damn thing. He wants me to keep my 351w but i want to rip and tear with a 460. I'm gonna get it and send it to a machine shop in Miami, they do awesome work...I cant wait to stuff that big monster in my truck! im 18 and crazy so im going to want to make it as bad as possible. Saturday im driving to st. augustine to get the beast...hopefully all works out!
 
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Also i forgot to ask if a 351m or 400 bell housing for a 4-speed will work on my t-18 4speed becuase i have a hydraulic clutch and that bell housing is for the 70's and that has cable clutch i think. will that bell housing bolt the 460 to my t-18? i know i need the 400 or 351m flywheel i heard too. what kind of clutch goes on this when i bolt it all together? will i need a different clutch fork?
 
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why not get a bell housing from a 460.it already has the hydraulics on it.
 
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Yep, you want an 83+ 460/4 speed bell for hydro clutch, that's your best bet. The M/400 bell may cause flywheel clerance issues with an extrenally balanced(78+) 460, the flywheel sits about 1/2" further away from the rear of the block than it does on an older internally balanced engine.
You'll need the slave cyl to match it, they are the same 460 and diesel, right up until 97 though, best to grab the whole master and slave, right up to 91 will bolt right on your truck, the 92+ masters are different.
As for the clutch, most aftermarket suppliers have a 12" upgrade available, It's well worth it.

I get a kick out of the small block guys who pull the stroker card, Yes, you can build a 393 or 427 with a reasonable budget, but, you can do the same with a 557.... LOL
Same thing on the gears, 3.55's and 35's actually isn't that horrible with the 460, I'm running 38.5's and 4.10's, and it has plenty of get up and go, engine isn't quite stock anymore though, probably right in the 350-375 hp range, still with 8.0:1 compression...
You can build BIG, reliable, daily drivable power out of a 385 series engine pretty easily.
 
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Yep, you want an 83+ 460/4 speed bell for hydro clutch, that's your best bet. The M/400 bell may cause flywheel clerance issues with an extrenally balanced(78+) 460, the flywheel sits about 1/2" further away from the rear of the block than it does on an older internally balanced engine.
You'll need the slave cyl to match it, they are the same 460 and diesel, right up until 97 though, best to grab the whole master and slave, right up to 91 will bolt right on your truck, the 92+ masters are different.
As for the clutch, most aftermarket suppliers have a 12" upgrade available, It's well worth it.

I get a kick out of the small block guys who pull the stroker card, Yes, you can build a 393 or 427 with a reasonable budget, but, you can do the same with a 557.... LOL
Same thing on the gears, 3.55's and 35's actually isn't that horrible with the 460, I'm running 38.5's and 4.10's, and it has plenty of get up and go, engine isn't quite stock anymore though, probably right in the 350-375 hp range, still with 8.0:1 compression...
You can build BIG, reliable, daily drivable power out of a 385 series engine pretty easily.

So the deal fell through with the 460, the moron at the junkyard sold it to someone else. My dad owns an auto repair shop and I called the machine shop guys in Miami that do all the rebuild work for us and send it back and the head boss down there said a 460 has weak casting and they end up getting cracked blocks. The guy tells me to just build my 351w because the I-6 and the 351w are the best motors ford ever built. I just dont want to get a 460 and rebuild the thing and have it end up turning out to be no good. When im done building my truck i want the baddest truck around...can i make a mean motor out of my 351w? or should i spend the few extra bucks and get the 460? im having the hardest time making up my mind. should i wait around for another 460 or just build my motor?
 
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build the 351,make your truck the way you want it.and maybe in the future get the 460.just work with what you got right now.it will be cheaper.
 

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