I just have to say I have had some rather lengthy discussions with Gene over the years, we have not always agreed on topics (the TAG comes to mind), but he has never made me feel like an idiot (I do an adequate job of that myself) and when he is proven wrong he will be the first one to admit to it. I for one appreciate your input and analytical approach to topics like air filters.

As far as the 6637, I have always been of the opinion that newcomers get it rammed down their throat regardless of their needs, and anytime anyone says something negative about the 6637 the pitch forks and torches come out. If the 6637 is such a great filter, why does it need such vigorous defense from it's supporters? Give them the facts, and let them make up their own mind, for God's sake.

 

Quick444, thanks for the post and shout out to people helping.

But the way you word your post kinda fuels the fire. Ernest didn't just random start calling people out.. there were some pretty vicious attacks.

Everyone needs to just play nice.

If we don't play nice then unicorns will dissapear from the earth forever... so you better be careful!

 

You make a good point. I should have probably worded that better and so I apologize to eugene for that.

It was just tough to read all these pages only to get a crappy ending.

 

Well hopefully some good will come of it. Perhaps some independent testing of the set-up then we can hopefully put this argument to rest.

 

While I was grabbing some food I was reflecting on some of the stuff that has been brought up in this thread. It may have been answered all ready and I just missed it.

The 6637 intake obviously gives up the direct cool air that the stock system provides. Therefore I would assume that warmer air is being ingested into the engine, but is this really the case when the truck is moving? I could see this being obvious when at rest but just how much airflow does the engine bay see when the truck is moving?

Do we have anyone on the forum who may have measured air intake temps before and after?

 

Also based on what eugene brought up regarding the foil delete mod, would it be worth anyone's time to perhaps increase the amount of heat shielding that the tin foil provides?

I am no engineer but is the tin enough? Could it be worth using something like header wrap around that pipe the help with the heat issue?

Since the subjects have been brought up in this thread, I thought I would at least try to bring something new to the table.

 

The biggest X factor from what I gather is the concept of heat soaking the filter. Yes there is air coming in the engine bay but constant heat from the engine kills the efficiency of the open element filter.

There are some pretty interesting info about engine temps when pulling hills around and I was very suprised by the temp readings..

I beleive Tenn did some test readings.. someone will chime in.

G'Luck!

 

There should be a section for nothing but tests that have been done and the discussion of those tests. That would allow everyone to refer to this stuff quickly.

 

Why does it get such bashing from people who have never used it?

Personally, I like running my AFE Stage II. I used to run the 6637 for several years. There was never a problem with it, but the biggest complaint is noise. Just the other day I was doing data logging on another PSD, and he runs the same 38R turbo that I run. His turbo and engine noise is completely different and much louder with the 6637 compared to my truck with the AFE Stage II. I had forgotton how much noise that shield buffers from the cab.

Bashing the 6637 is pointless. People use it with success again and again. Just like people use the AIS, the AFE, S&B, and other intakes with success. It's just one of many filters that is recommended by members here. If people really do have such a bad experience with a product, they'll say it here on these forums. Same goes for those who have good experiences with a product... they will gladly share it with other members looking for similar mods. The 6637 has it's advantages and disadvantages, just like any other intake setup out on the market. It's all about choice.

So is it really that hard to understand why people are told of the 6637?

 

Heck, I'll go ahead and throw my .02 in on this, to stir the pot a little more....I'm gonna try the stock 6.0 filter for awhile.

 

Cool. I've been working on my BSME here at Boise State. The engineering job market is in the *****ter and I've been shoeing horses in the mean time. Are you a PE? What made you go for your Ph D? I've always been told that with a Ph D in engineering you get the least return, unless you planned on teaching at the University level.

 

I apologize to all of those who I've offend with my inappropriate off-hand remarks but not for my technical analyses and my technical conclusions which were carefully and accurately stated.

I'll first apologize by name to "superduty4x4" who I perceived at the spur of the moment to be bugging me like a gnat would by flying around my ear while I was trying to accomplish a delicate task...

...I tried to interject an element of humor here but the above post was uncalled for and I apologize for it and I should've just ignored your repeated inquires and replies until I had the time to answer them properly. So "superduty4x4" if you ever desire soup again please feel free to order as much as you want however you and everyone else who deals with me should be aware that my wife says on my better days my personality is a cross between the "soup ****" and my other favorite TV personality "House"!

To F250 I accept your apology and I apologize for getting bent out of shape and for not accepting it sooner and regarding the 6637 measurement project I'll contribute my $20 and provide any technical analysis that you think might be useful but if the results are going to be accepted by the 6637 crowd then I'd better stay at arms length.

To Izzy I'm not sure just what apologizing or apology accepting we have to do but if there's some to be done lets please just consider it to be a done deal without further ado and try to get back to the way we used to conduct our technical arguments and use direct quotes of each other's technical issues that we want to point and counter point.

And direct "quotes" are the best approach for everyone to use because it helps to eliminate any misunderstanding as to exactly what the issue is that needs to be clarified or defended.

Well I'm sure I've missed a few and if anyone wants an apology by name speak up now or forever hold your peace!

 

Gene Thank You for doing what you just did here. Very commendable of you.

 

Word on the street is that to obtain your PE in the future you will indeed need a Ph.D. That is what all my buddies are hearing and running to get theres so they don't have to get more schooling.

From my experiences with engineers a Ph. D is more so for engineers looking to really climb the ladder in larger companies. I have found alot of civil, mech, and aerospace guys are even looking at MBA's as a better path in the business world for the fact that you can use your expertice to design and build things as well as market and sell them.

My school is UMR, is traditionally an engineering school, but there business program has really taken off because of this fact.

FYI.. i'm a business kid haha

 

Why is anyone who expresses concerns about the 6637 considered to be bashing it?