hydrogen fuel saver
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hydrogen fuel saver
hey i was looking at the links and of course a fuel saver caught my eye
have any of you hard of or tried out this product?
Efficient Future Inc.
i want to get the info if it is real or a scam or if it can even work
have any of you hard of or tried out this product?
Efficient Future Inc.
i want to get the info if it is real or a scam or if it can even work
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
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From: SE Florida
The naysayers all say that it can't work. Then there are the people who say it does.
The difference between the two is that one group understands science and the other group wants to believe that there is a free lunch so bad that they give away their money to scam artists.
The difference between the two is that one group understands science and the other group wants to believe that there is a free lunch so bad that they give away their money to scam artists.
Post Fiend
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From: Greenwood, SC
I tried to make my own hydrogen generator using mason jars and a bunch of wire. It overheated and blew up and I have not tied to make another one yet.
It makes sense to me that it would work but I have not invested more time in it. Maybe I'll get back into it if I read more stuff about it. Let us know if you try it.
It makes sense to me that it would work but I have not invested more time in it. Maybe I'll get back into it if I read more stuff about it. Let us know if you try it.
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From: Parker, CO
NEVER purchase an HHO kit.
If you want to experiment with hydrogen, go ahead. But at least research the internet and learn how to build one on your own. It's not that hard to do. Any company selling plans is ripping you off, and most companies selling kits are ripping you off too. This industry is a scam.
HHO has been around for years, but last year's crazy fuel prices brought it back into the spotlight.... and also brought out the scammers in masses. HHO has never caught on for a reason: simply put, the automotive electrical system cannot provide enough juice to give you a decent supply of hydrogen. For a 4 cylinder engine to gain a 40% increase in fuel mileage using hydroden, you need about 1500 amps of electricity to generate enough HHO. Most HHO kits only draw 10-30 amps, depending on the vehicle. These same HHO kits produce at most about 1 1/2 liters of hydrogen a minute. Your engine will gulp down that much air in 2 seconds. So the amount of hydrogen produced compared to how much your engine really needs is a drop in the bucket.
If you want to experiment with hydrogen, go ahead. But at least research the internet and learn how to build one on your own. It's not that hard to do. Any company selling plans is ripping you off, and most companies selling kits are ripping you off too. This industry is a scam.
HHO has been around for years, but last year's crazy fuel prices brought it back into the spotlight.... and also brought out the scammers in masses. HHO has never caught on for a reason: simply put, the automotive electrical system cannot provide enough juice to give you a decent supply of hydrogen. For a 4 cylinder engine to gain a 40% increase in fuel mileage using hydroden, you need about 1500 amps of electricity to generate enough HHO. Most HHO kits only draw 10-30 amps, depending on the vehicle. These same HHO kits produce at most about 1 1/2 liters of hydrogen a minute. Your engine will gulp down that much air in 2 seconds. So the amount of hydrogen produced compared to how much your engine really needs is a drop in the bucket.
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NEVER purchase an HHO kit.
If you want to experiment with hydrogen, go ahead. But at least research the internet and learn how to build one on your own. It's not that hard to do. Any company selling plans is ripping you off, and most companies selling kits are ripping you off too. This industry is a scam.
HHO has been around for years, but last year's crazy fuel prices brought it back into the spotlight.... and also brought out the scammers in masses. HHO has never caught on for a reason: simply put, the automotive electrical system cannot provide enough juice to give you a decent supply of hydrogen. For a 4 cylinder engine to gain a 40% increase in fuel mileage using hydroden, you need about 1500 amps of electricity to generate enough HHO. Most HHO kits only draw 10-30 amps, depending on the vehicle. These same HHO kits produce at most about 1 1/2 liters of hydrogen a minute. Your engine will gulp down that much air in 2 seconds. So the amount of hydrogen produced compared to how much your engine really needs is a drop in the bucket.
If you want to experiment with hydrogen, go ahead. But at least research the internet and learn how to build one on your own. It's not that hard to do. Any company selling plans is ripping you off, and most companies selling kits are ripping you off too. This industry is a scam.
HHO has been around for years, but last year's crazy fuel prices brought it back into the spotlight.... and also brought out the scammers in masses. HHO has never caught on for a reason: simply put, the automotive electrical system cannot provide enough juice to give you a decent supply of hydrogen. For a 4 cylinder engine to gain a 40% increase in fuel mileage using hydroden, you need about 1500 amps of electricity to generate enough HHO. Most HHO kits only draw 10-30 amps, depending on the vehicle. These same HHO kits produce at most about 1 1/2 liters of hydrogen a minute. Your engine will gulp down that much air in 2 seconds. So the amount of hydrogen produced compared to how much your engine really needs is a drop in the bucket.
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Mythbusters tested something like this. It didn't work. Tried it on a crap old carbureted car and a fuel injected Camry. Didn't work on either.
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From: Parker, CO
Probably just a generated ad that pops up on different pages. I didn't see that company listed as an actual sponsor.
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
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If you put 1500 amps (your example) at 12 volts into an HHO generator that's 18kW. You will get less than 18kW of energy from burning the hydrogen in the engine. So you need to add fuel just to produce the HHO, which means you'll get less fuel economy.
Didn't anyone else study physics in high school? Maybe that's why this country is in the state it's in.
Post Fiend
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From: Parker, CO
No, that's not the reason. The reason the HHO will never work is that it takes more energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen in water than you can gain from burning the hydrogen and oxygen.
If you put 1500 amps (your example) at 12 volts into an HHO generator that's 18kW. You will get less than 18kW of energy from burning the hydrogen in the engine. So you need to add fuel just to produce the HHO, which means you'll get less fuel economy.
Didn't anyone else study physics in high school? Maybe that's why this country is in the state it's in.
If you put 1500 amps (your example) at 12 volts into an HHO generator that's 18kW. You will get less than 18kW of energy from burning the hydrogen in the engine. So you need to add fuel just to produce the HHO, which means you'll get less fuel economy.
Didn't anyone else study physics in high school? Maybe that's why this country is in the state it's in.
Frmr Ford Trans Engr
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From: SE Florida
I did reread it. It looks to me like you're saying it could work if there was enough energy put into the HHO generator. I'm saying it can't ever work no matter how much energy you put into it, because you never get back as much energy as you put into it, so the more energy you spend to make HHO you worse fuel mileage you will get.
Post Fiend
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From: Greenwood, SC
So, making a HHO generator out of glass jars, giving it a 12V 20 amp source is not going to do anything? Will it even give me 1 or 2 mpg's?
I don't really care but I like to mess around with stuff. I'll take any improvement on mileage as long as it's "free" like this system would be.
I average over 900 miles/week so anything will make a financial difference.
I don't really care but I like to mess around with stuff. I'll take any improvement on mileage as long as it's "free" like this system would be.
I average over 900 miles/week so anything will make a financial difference.