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There has been some discussion about this product already. I appears it will be rather pricey and there is no real data to to justify the 'cost vs performance' benefit.
I can see the flow benefits being there, meaning it looks as if it should flow better. I think the stock unit does have room for improvement, and it looks like the CFM one has addressed that.
However, I'm not totally buying into the non-heat absorbing affects of the composite on the flowing air. How much heat can the air actually absorb from flowing through a smooth [relatively] intake? If anyone with AE get's one of these things, I'd be interested to see the MAT readings before and after install.
I can see the flow benefits being there, meaning it looks as if it should flow better. I think the stock unit does have room for improvement, and it looks like the CFM one has addressed that.
However, I'm not totally buying into the non-heat absorbing affects of the composite on the flowing air. How much heat can the air actually absorb from flowing through a smooth [relatively] intake? If anyone with AE get's one of these things, I'd be interested to see the MAT readings before and after install.
I totally agree with you Jeremy, and when I called them about it earlier this week (as did Chris, F350-6) we asked for data sheets etc. and all we got in reply was "every truck is different".... so until they come up with some real world data showing the benefits, or some magazine does test like what you're asking, I'll be keeping my $400.
LOL. Every truck may be different, but every stock intake is not. Flow is flow, and a direct comparison between stock and theirs wouldn't be all that difficult to get done.
I've got a CFM intake elbow on my Cummins, and I will say I'm pleased with the product. Dyno tests by an aftermarket vendor (ie - non biased) showed the CMF to have the most gains out of any others out there. However, I still don't think any data exists from CFM on flow numbers.
This is probably a redundant question Jeremy (I didn't follow your behemoth conversion thread -- sorry! ), but what filter are you running?? BHAF? And what turbo?
Joe, my filter is the AFE version of the 6637 with one of Pete's covers. It's not the BHAF -- that filter is quite a bit bigger around and I don't have that much room. I think the AFE flows plenty though.
Turbo is an HTT (High Tech Turbo) 64/71/13 (64mm compressor wheel, 71mm turbine wheel, and a 13 cm exhaust housing - something like a .96 A/R), with a stainless steel turbine housing.
...However, I'm not totally buying into the non-heat absorbing affects of the composite on the flowing air. How much heat can the air actually absorb from flowing through a smooth [relatively] intake? If anyone with AE get's one of these things, I'd be interested to see the MAT readings before and after install...
On several occasions I made IR temp measurements on the turbo side and the intake side of the spider after towing a long grade at near WOT in the summer and then pulling into a rest stop at the top of the hill. Both sides of the spider were at about the same temp of 250 F! I wasn't running the A/C which throws waste heat back into the IC and I measured the outside of the CAC tube going to the intake side of the spider at about 140 F so there was probably about a 100 F temp difference between the intake air flowing through the spider and the case of the spider, so under these conditions I can see a benefit to providing thermal isolation between the two sides. The Banks power pack for the early 99 went one better by separating the spider into two pieces, and I always thought this is the best approach for both flow and thermal isolation.
Gene, I understand the idea and can conceptually see how the thermal isolation would benefit. Since the stock intake is one piece of aluminum, and you know how good of a thermal conductor aluminum is, if the turbo outlet side heats it up one side of it (which it obviously does), it would make sense that the whole piece will be hot as well.
What I don't know is how much of that heat is actually transferred to the air that's flowing through it, especially at the CFM that the engine ingests the air. That's where I stumble in seeing the benefit.
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