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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackBetty05
...When you go back to the dealer you simply upload the original program and your back to stock. Very simple.
That doesn't work. I just called an acquaintance of mine that works at a Ford/Dodge dealership and he said when they run diagnostics, they use an application that can tell how many miles, hours, etc. the vehicle has ran in the "factory" setting and in an "altered" setting. You can use a tuner and then restore the factory tune, but it can't fool the dealership.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2008 | 10:01 PM
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The Edge box has really woken my 5.4 up in my 2007.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by HogTied
That doesn't work. I just called an acquaintance of mine that works at a Ford/Dodge dealership and he said when they run diagnostics, they use an application that can tell how many miles, hours, etc. the vehicle has ran in the "factory" setting and in an "altered" setting. You can use a tuner and then restore the factory tune, but it can't fool the dealership.
The main reason to set back to stock is if the dealer flashes your PCM it will screw up your tuner. My dealer does'nt care if I have a tuner or not and neither do I, but if something critical was to happen I'am sure they would start crawfishen and I'de start crying.
 
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 06:22 PM
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Do the Edge Evolution programmers void the factory warranty?
This is taken directly from our website.

There have been several concerns about whether or not a manufacturer can void the warranty on a vehicle because the vehicle owner has installed an aftermarket product on his/her vehicle. To fully understand how performance products may affect the warranty on your vehicle, you need to understand the law regarding warranties.

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act was introduced in 1975 and requires manufacturers to provide a means for consumers to fully understand the warranty protection they are entitled to when purchasing a product. The act only applies to written warranties and the protection is provided only to the final purchaser (the consumer).

The law states that no manufacturer may deny a warranty claim based solely on the use of aftermarket components or services not provided by the manufacturer. In order to deny a warranty claim, the manufacturer must show by means of reasonable proof that component or service in question is the direct or indirect cause of the failure of the part(s) for which warranty repair is being sought. It is important to understand that this applies to only replacement parts or services (per Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act PART 700 > § 700.10 Section 102(c)), not modifications or custom parts. An aftermarket programmer falls outside of the realm of replacement parts and if a powertrain failure should occur, it is possible that the manufacturer will deny a warranty claim for repair or replacement of the damaged item(s).

However, it is not legal for a manufacturer to arbitrarily void the warranty of a vehicle or deny a warranty claim based solely on the use or presence of aftermarket products. Again, the manufacturer must be able to show reasonable proof that the aftermarket product was directly or indirectly responsible for the failure of the part(s) for which warranty repair is being sought.
 
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Old Jan 2, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tylus
Edge/Gryphon is the most popular, and most user friendly

they all do the same thing overall. besides, with the Edge, it's a plug n' play setup. Some of the others require custom tuning
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Doesn't one of the site sponsors sell the Edge? If I buy one, it will be from them .

Would the PCM flash cost anything? I'm out of warranty so I'm skittish to go to the dealer.
Just wanted to let you know that although the Evo and Gryphon use the same hardware, they do have an important difference -- the Gryphon can be custom tunes; the Evolution can't.

If you have a stock truck, the Evo is a great programmer; however if you have any modifications, you may need custom tunes. PHP is the only company authorized to custom tune the Evolution. Feel free to ask questions if you have 'em.
 
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