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everything is new/works been tested on differnt truck to make sure other then the wiring "kickin my self over" starter good batt good volt reg. good alt. good but no charge no start and yes i do have power coming form the red wire to the starter relay i get only slow crank for about 2 truns of the starter then nothing.
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A new battery
A new ground strap/cable
A new alternator
A new starter.
A "known good" regulator
A "known good" ignition switch
If I had to guess I'd say your relay was cooked and feeding to ground through the mounting bolts.
If you unbolt it from the truck does it spark?
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got no sparks from it when i unbolted it but i also tryed to jump it with a screwdriver like if it was goin bad and i got nothing from it.. no sparks or anything there.. would it keep my alt. from chargin the batt.??? i guess it would
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The alternator would be feeding into ground through the relay and would cook itself in short order.
It would also kill the battery.
If you have a multimeter I would check for continuity between the lug with the + battery lead&the alternator wire and the "ear" that mounts the relay to the fenderwell.
You have been warned about cheap Chinese relays from "That Place".
Try and find a "Made in USA" Standard Automotive Products unit, or go to the dealer for a quality replacement if you find it defective.
Last edited by ArdWrknTrk; Dec 1, 2008 at 05:05 PM. Reason: rephrased for clarity.
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i dont have a volt meter where im at... ive done all that checkin then came here so i could use the computer to get some help
its like 15$ to replace it i will just do it and pray it works.. we will see. goin to the parts store be back with info in a few.
man its gotta work
its like 15$ to replace it i will just do it and pray it works.. we will see. goin to the parts store be back with info in a few.
man its gotta work
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Wow, Kylet8020 I just found and read this thread it sounds like your having a tough time, if your still up to it let's get down to basics and get your truck fixed.
Do you have a volt meter handy yet? Your gonna need one and there cheap, if ya don't have one go buy one.
It's unclear at this point, does it never start or sometimes start? If we can't get it started it's too hard to figure out the charging problem so let's start there.
I assume you have some way of getting enough juice in the battery to try and crank it, like jumper cables or a battery charger?
One of the posters told you to jump the starter with jumper cables by using them to connect the battery right to the starter, did you do this and if so what happend?
I would like to help but I need clarification on what's going on, so type away and let's get this fiqured out.
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I meant to say "do you see sparks coming from the mounting screws"
If he is removing it, he can't be in the truck turning the key, but if he does not have a meter, that would show that there is continuity from the 'Hot' lug to ground.
If something is killing the battery, and He's already melted down at least one alternator, and it's not passing enough current to the starter, that makes me think the starter solenoid is shorting to ground.
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Far enough, It's unclear to me what is going on here. Is he trying to fix a starting or charging problem or both? Will the truck start if he jumps it?
Either way he needs a voltage tester.
On the charging problem his system is pretty easy. It should work fine without the wht/blk wire from the S terminal and as long as he has 3 things it should work, A battery connection to the big terminal with a big wire, a regulated voltage to the feild, the F terminal with the orange/lt blue wire, and very important and maybe missing a ground.
I beleive his truck had a black ground wire that attached to the body of the alternator with a screw. If that is missing or even worse connected to the S terminal that could be the problem.
Either way he needs a voltage tester.
On the charging problem his system is pretty easy. It should work fine without the wht/blk wire from the S terminal and as long as he has 3 things it should work, A battery connection to the big terminal with a big wire, a regulated voltage to the feild, the F terminal with the orange/lt blue wire, and very important and maybe missing a ground.
I beleive his truck had a black ground wire that attached to the body of the alternator with a screw. If that is missing or even worse connected to the S terminal that could be the problem.
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Originally Posted by Kylet8020
um y the hell my truck dont charge my batt. + y dont a new batt. start my dang truck.. i have got power where i was told to check for it..
Originally Posted by Kylet8020
got no sparks from it when i unbolted it but i also tryed to jump it with a screwdriver like if it was goin bad and i got nothing from it.. no sparks or anything there.. would it keep my alt. from chargin the batt.??? i guess it would
Originally Posted by Kylet8020
problem i just found out about when tryin to start the truck by key after the truck would not crank/very slow crank i shut it off the starter kept crankin tho as if i was doin ti with the key..... i jumped out and got the batt. cable off as quick as i could... what would make this happen...
On the charging problem his system is pretty easy. It should work fine without the wht/blk wire from the S terminal and as long as he has 3 things it should work, A battery connection to the big terminal with a big wire, a regulated voltage to the feild, the F terminal with the orange/lt blue wire, and very important and maybe missing a ground.
I beleive his truck had a black ground wire that attached to the body of the alternator with a screw. If that is missing or even worse connected to the S terminal that could be the problem.
I beleive his truck had a black ground wire that attached to the body of the alternator with a screw. If that is missing or even worse connected to the S terminal that could be the problem.
He linked to the schematic, so I have to assume that it is wired correctly.
(Opossum, sorry, I didn't catch your edit to post #40)
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That's cool
I think if were going to be any help we got to break this down to the basics and go slow, one thing at a time. Kylet8020 seems to be all over the place in trying to figure this out, he needs to slow down and take it one step at a time, once again starting with a voltage meter.
I think if were going to be any help we got to break this down to the basics and go slow, one thing at a time. Kylet8020 seems to be all over the place in trying to figure this out, he needs to slow down and take it one step at a time, once again starting with a voltage meter.
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thank u all for the help but i got the problem fixed and yes i was usin a volt meter but did not have it with me at the time i started this post volt reg was bad.... checked out great tho after testing with meter but i replaced it anyway and that fixed my problem along with the starter relay..... thx u all again for the help
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