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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 07:18 AM
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2002 Focus Auto Tranny Problem

My mom’s car that I have been fighting with has me stumped. It started out, when it went to 3rd it would hold for a second then drop out. Rev to the moon. OD light on or off, there is no difference. I had to slow down to about 20 or dead stop to go again. She made it home. I went for a ride and she was right. It actually dropped to second gear. If the TC was locked it would make you lock your seat belt. The next day it would not shift into 3 at all. 1st,2nd then like it would drop into neutral.

We took it to a local shop. They put the scanner on it and they gave me a bunch of crap. It didn't have a CEL light at all. They sounded uncertain also. But gave me a 1600 quote. I borrowed my buddy’s code reader and no codes. No light. And the tranny shop said there was but would not tell me what or give me a print out. They said I wasn't paying for the code reader so they were not obligated to share. Dang. That is bad business.
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So the last couple days I have been living on the internet trying to help her out. I found out about "a" solenoid problem. And picked one up at the dealer.
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New Filter/oil and "a" solenoid. Piece of cake.
It still does it and I still don't get a light or a code.
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I also checked out Ohm’s on all the other solenoids there. All within spec. and could not find anything wrong. I even checked the temp sensor in the pan, good also.
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If it gave me a code it would be easier. Could it possible be another solenoid, mechanically?
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What I am thinking of trying is. Seeing the original "a" solenoid was ok after i replaced it with a new one. Thinking of sticking it in the "b" hole. And jumbling up The three "c,d,e" solenoids. And see if the problem changes in any way. If it is a solenoid this free test would confirm a mechanical problem with one of the solenoids. Probably "c,d,e".
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Also a note. When mom drove it home it would hold 3rd gear and hit OD sometimes for a while then let go into Neutrals or 2nd gear.. But the next day it wouldn't go into 3rd at all. Just rev's. Could this be a leak in the valve body? Were can i find info on a rebuild one? Can I change it out without dropping the tranny?
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1st.2nd,reverse, stops,take offs, All normal. Just no 3rd or OD.
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Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks in advance
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 10:37 AM
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You think i am on the right path to success? Just unsure on which one. But i have printed this that i found last week(below). And found it Buried on my desk this morning. I found this info from someone that posted on a forum so i can't give credit. (THANKS TO YOU) and i Added to it.

I want to jumble the remainder up “move in different holes” 45 minutes job. Solenoids (c,d,e)

If it develops a different symptom Then it is definitely a solenoid.
If it the symptom stays the same than it isn’t a solenoid.
I am leaning to the “C” solenoid. But don’t want to spend $100 to try it. My test will prove it first.
The test will be a free(no cost) test. I can reuse the same oil.

Shift solenoid A: P/N XS4Z-7H148-AA $45.00 same as “A,B”
This solenoid appears to ONLY control 3rd to 4th gear shifts. (CHANGED)

Shift solenoid B: P/N XS4Z-7H148-AA $45.00 same as “A,B”
This solenoid only controls torque converter lockup. When this solenoid is activated, The clutch inside the torque converter locks the stator to the impeller, making it a mechanical connection rather than a fluid one. Improves engine efficiency, and also drops the rpm by 200-300. (No converter problem evident)

Shift solenoid C: P/N XS4Z-7G484-AA $95.00 same as “C,D,E”
This is the big mamma. This solenoid controls the forward clutch for each shift. It is a pulse width-modulated solenoid, meaning the time length of a shift can be changed via an ECU tune. If this solenoid goes bad, you will have issues with the rpm jumping up really high during shifts and the trans will hesitate to go into gear.( Not present currently but possible)

Shift solenoid D: P/N XS4Z-7G484-AA $95.00 same as “C,D,E”
This solenoid controls whether or not first gear is engaged. When it is activated, it empties an accumulator filled with fluid, which releases a spring that engages 1st gear. This is why 2->1 downshifts are relatively rough. This solenoid also opens the 2nd/4th band of clutches when 1st is engaged. If this solenoid goes out, you may experience bucking when starting from a stop, or troubles downshifting into first. (not evident. And doubtful)

Shift solenoid E: P/N XS4Z-7G484-AA $95.00 same as “C,D,E”
I am having a hard time figuring out what this one does, but it appears to only control 2nd to 3rd shifts. (very Possible and I am leaning this is it)

EPC solenoid:
This solenoid controls how much pressure is in the solenoid system. It is told how much to give by the throttle position sensor. More throttle = more pressure. (This is if ‘for sure’ working ok)

 
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 01:12 PM
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If there is a mechanical problem with a solenoid it will set a code for a mechanical problem with that solenoid. Since you don't have a CEL on I doubt that you have a solenoid problem.

It probably is a problem with one of the clutches. Most likely there is a seal problem and the clutch can't hold pressure. That's my geuss, but I'm no expert on this trans.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2008 | 04:00 PM
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As for the solenoids being good, I just went through that with someone else's car, 1998 Toyota Camry. His set the codes, but, tested fine out of the car to specs. His only has two, each $120, so I was thinking about swapping them myself in case it is a clutch problem.

What I am leaning towards is robbing a grave yard car and popping them in to see if it clears up the problem since the car has so many miles on it, it could be anything.
 
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I thought of the bone yard also. But went and looked. No Focus there. We only have a small yard local. Without driving for an hour. But if you want grand am parts-> Whoah.

I am also thinking of internal leakage also of some sort. No CEL. No codes. No 3rd & OD. All Ohm's check pass.

What about the valve body? Possible?

Update ,what i did tonight.

Yesterday i replaced "a"

Tonight.
I stopped and picked the large solenoid from ford.
there is 2 of one kind and 3 of another.
The epc i am unsure if it is the same.

Dropped pan
I used old "a" and stuck it in the "b" hole. Put old "b" on the shelf
Seeing i had no change yesterday.
Stuck New large solenoid in the "D" hole.
Went for a ride.
No 3rd
No change at all. Same

Dropped pan.
Stuck old "d" solenoid in the "c" hole
No change at all. Same

Dropped pan.
Stuck old "c" and in the "e" hole. Put "e" on the shelf.
Rotated all the way through now.
No Change at all. Same Exact Symptoms. All the time.

All in 1 hour and 45 minutes.

Dad said he talked to a guy today and said he has seen in a few focus trannys that the oil passage ways develop a cracks and loose pressure. Hummm.. Then why not other gears? How about changing out the valve body? Is there a rebuild kit for it? Not sure on that either. Sure started to sound like an internal pressure leak of sorts. Probably have to start looking for a shop.

Dan

PS.. Used 1/4" drive air ratchet on pan bolts. 20 bolts oily socket, started making my hands cramp.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2008 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by danskool
Dad said he talked to a guy today and said he has seen in a few focus trannys that the oil passage ways develop a cracks and loose pressure. Hummm.. Then why not other gears?
Because not all passageways are used for all gears. If the passageway for 3rd and overdrive is leaking it won't affect 1st and 2nd.

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How about changing out the valve body?
You could try that. You might get lucky. Not likely, but maybe.

I think you need to remove the trans, tear it down, and find the problem. But it's not my money, it's just my opinion.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
Because not all passageways are used for all gears. If the passageway for 3rd and overdrive is leaking it won't affect 1st and 2nd.


You could try that. You might get lucky. Not likely, but maybe.

I think you need to remove the trans, tear it down, and find the problem. But it's not my money, it's just my opinion.
I think i finally gave up. Dad also. We thought the same thing about the valve body. Dad don't want to get into dropping the tranny. He said to much work. let the shop have it. I didn't want to argue with him. Have done them before but it takes a while. And they need the car. So I will stop by a good guy i know after work and talk to him. I will keep you posted of the findings.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2008 | 06:25 AM
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Update.
Stopped at well known transmission guy who has been helping me along the way. Dad and I finally gave up. Probably clutches. He fixes dealer cars trannys if the dealer gets overwhelmed. He said he had a clutch go on the focus the previous week. He showed it to me.. WOW..

1200 to 1500 to get it fixed.Total Rebuild.1yr warranted. Going to show me what went wrong. Maybe i can toss up a pic once i see it. I said "take it" I don't have the time to work on it. It would take me a month to get it out do to my job and dad's job. And they need the car so we will let them rip it out. We should get it back Tuesday/wednesday. They came and picked it up today.

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Update. Fixed and running great.
Clutch seal was shot. Along with some other parts he showed us. Can't remember the name of it. Tore up front axle from a bad wheel bearing. 1700. Ouch. But fixed.
 
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