is the 3/4 ton V-10 Excursion considered a super duty?




T. Moe

 

All Excursons are considered SuperDuty rigs since they were all built on the same platform as the F250/350's.

Stewart

 

[quote=Skullonarm;6600675]is the 3/4 ton V-10 Excursion considered a super duty?

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I am puzzled by your "post". Can you explain to me how you arrived at your conclusion that the Ford Excursion is a "3/4 ton" ?

Take, for example, the rear axle of a typical 3/4 ton SUV., like the GMC Suburban. Now compare that with the rear axle of a Ford Excursion. Can you tell me what you see that leads you to the conclusion that a Ford Excursion is a 3/4 ton like the Suburban ?

How about the front axle ? What do you see, and what can you tell us about what you see.

Now let's compare the frame rails. Again, what do you see, and what can you tell us about what you see as any similarities that would lead you to believe that the Ford Excursion, like the 3/4 ton Suburban, is a "3/4 ton truck"...? DISCUSS, PLEASE ?

 

Um, I think this is a Ford Truck Enthusiasts site...... probably not a lot of Suburban people here?

 

Yes,the "EX" is considered a 3/4-1 ton superduty as it is built on the super duty frame..I understand that that's where it ends as Ford dumbed down the suspension for the soccer moms and that's why we have to add so many items to it to make it the tow machine we'd like it to be and what Ford should have done to it in the first place. If Ford had looked at the Suburban before they dumbed the "EX" down,it would probably have outsold the "Burb with a bit of marketing.
I had a 3/4 ton "Burb and replaced it with the 7.3LPSD "EX" because I wanted a diesel.That's where it ended as with the 'Burb all I did to it was to add air bags and discovered that I really didn't need them..The 'Burb would handle my trailer very well in a stock set-up,turn around inside the "EX" etc,BUTTttttt,it only got 7 MPG pulling my 8500-9000# trailer and I really needed more than that..

 

[quote=bigdog55;6601047]Yes,the "EX" is considered a 3/4-1 ton superduty as it is built on the super duty frame.......

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O.K..now it is YOUR turn to discuss the issues I asked about above.

1) What can YOU tell me about what YOU see when you look at the rear axles of the 3/4 ton Suburban, and the Ford EX. that you also claim is a 3/4 ton. ? Discuss...please?

2) what can YOU tell me about what YOU see when you measure the frame of the 3/4 ton Suburban, and the Ford EX that you claim is also a 3/4 ton? Discuss, please ?

I do agree with you and many others in here, that it is hard to figure out what Ford was thinking of by setting up the EX for extremely heavy towing, yet not on some models providing a rear sway bar, especially since the EX has so much softer a spring/roll rate.

And,yes, obviously, the spring rate does have just a wee bit to do with how much weight a vehicle can be "rated" for ! Which brings me to my next point.

When I got my EX, (a Limited with all the "cutesy goodies") its handling with NOTHING IN IT BUT ME was sloppy-scary. Way too dangerous to try and tow ANYTHING. I immediately went ahead and added what many of the guys in here recommended ( sway bar and air bags to control the riding height of the stock overly soft springs - now it does nicely with over ten thousand pounds of motor yacht, or our car "toy trailer" full of VERY heavy big old car.

But that's another story, well-discussed elsewhere. The point it, I think it would be equally accurate, if we are talking about one as delivered, IF YOU IGNORE THE TRUCK'S FRAME, RUNNING GEAR, FULL FLOATING AXLES, ETC., to call it a "NO TON" vehicle....

What do YOU think about all this ?

 

I had a 3/4 ton diesel suburban and stock vs. stock the Suburban handled the towing weight soooo much better! I agree, the first time I dropped my 11k toy hauler on the hitch of my Excursion it was the most stressful and scary ride I have ever experienced in any vehicle while towing!!

I had to spend $1200 dollars just to get the Excursion up to the level of my 3/4 ton Suburban towing abilities. The engine and trans no question are superior in the Excursion! Of course, the extra room is nice too! After Air bags, Rancho adj. shocks, dual steering stabilizers, adjusting the steering box, and an Equalizer hitch the Excursion would finally tow without wandering all over the highways!!

When I bought my Excursion I failed to do my homework! I test drove it and looked it over and just assumed that the Excursion would tow awesome! I just based this on it's enormous size and the front and rear leaf springs and solid axles etc. Wow I was surprised! I just came back from a 3800 mile trip though and I have my Excursion DIALED IN!! I drove every single mile towing my hauler from PHX to Yellowstone to Minnesota and back and it towed so well I forgot the thing was back there a couple of times!

So 6686L, is the Suburban axle and frame larger and more heavy duty than the Excursions?

 

yes

0nce you get into the ONE TON RANGE of trucks, you typically find FULL FLOATING axles.

Cant take the time now to explain the differences between the typical 3/4 ton rear axle used on the typical 3/4 ton SUV such as the Suburban, and the full floating "one ton" style used on the EXCURSION. (probably no point in it anyway, because there are a number of smart alec types in here who KNOW what they WANT to believe, and couldn't care less about the actual real-world technical details).

 

Pete,

My last 3/4 ton Suburban had a full floating axle just like my Excursion.

Maybe it's time YOU did your homework!

The man asked a simple question. His Excursion is essentially an F250 Super Duty standard cab, long bed pickup with a softer suspension. The idea of sending him on a field trip to crawl under someone else's Suburban was a rather stupid and petty response.

But at least you're consistent! I'm convinced that God puts some people on earth to anchor one end of the bell curve - to give us a point of reference against what is measured as normal and courteous behavior. You serve your purpose well.

 

The "pot" calls the "kettle" black.............. Lighten up there man......

 

Ease up guys,

I think it was a simple yes or no question but it does raise some concerns. I wouldn't be able to tell you because I don't own an Excursion. If this conversation is going nowhere then I would think they are not. Someone please correct me.

 

Superdutys are trucks. Excursions are Excursions. A Superduty is an F250 or an F350, a 3/4 or 1-ton truck. *Typically* the difference between an F250 and F350 is suspension (a 2" higher block under the rear leafs only) and badging, until the year 2005 when they changed the rear axle shafts in the F350.

So, the Excursion is not a Superduty because that *name* refers to trucks. You also can't have a V10 powerstroke, or a Triton diesel.

 

Sorry Scottman, you're right. He just gets on my nerves sometimes being rude to the newbies. I'll try to be better!

 

Well thank you. I didn't mean for anyone one to get their panties in a knot. It doe's have a 10.5" gears with limited slip diff.



T. Moe

 

Actually that is the size of your rear-end. Gears are measured by 3.73, 4.10, 4.30, etc.......