Excursion Super Duty
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I have a lifelong buddy who's a bomb tech with the Kentucky State Police. He originally had a Tahoe which ate front brakes about every 10k - 15k because of all the equipment he carries and some of the high speed driving he has to do. They then bought him a 2004 2500 Suburban with an 8.1 that has been okay for brakes, but now that it has about 100k on it, it's been developing some engine problems. He's been without it for as long as 3 weeks at a time while it's being repaired. I wonder if a V10 Excursion would have held up better?
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I really don't know, but my brother is also a ASE Master tech and also a ford master tech and he says the excursions are great rigs and the engine the v-10 that is is a good one as long as you keep up with oil changes. coil's go out sometime but thats all they really see at his shop.
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Now I am confused. I did not know that Ford made its 3/4 ton trucks with full floating rear axles.
I would have to admit I would be impressed if Ford would bother putting full floating rear axles on 3/4 ton trucks - that is an extra quality touch I would not expect from cheap $($#@*#'s like Ford.
I would have to admit I would be impressed if Ford would bother putting full floating rear axles on 3/4 ton trucks - that is an extra quality touch I would not expect from cheap $($#@*#'s like Ford.
Full floater... be impressed
It's no mistake Ford F250/350 are best selling in it's class.
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The Excursion is pretty much a class of its own.
BUT, it shares so many of its parts with the Super Duty line, that the difference can get pretty thin sometimes.
Comparing the year 2000 vehicles, Off the top of my head:
Fuel tank, sender, main body and back and rear doors, frame aft of front clip, springs, some cableing, some wiring, blockerbeam, most of interior.
Shared items include entire drivetrain, steering system, engines and support systems, front frame clip, front hood, fenders, grill, the entire dash and front doors, windshield, front wipers, mirrors, brakes, wheels, main electrical system(modified), A/C compressor, front evaporator. The list goes on and on.
Kind of like the Crew cab is different from the others with a different aft frame clip, and body.
They are more alike than different. That is why the Ford Service Manual Title for say, the 2002 year is
BUT, it shares so many of its parts with the Super Duty line, that the difference can get pretty thin sometimes.
Comparing the year 2000 vehicles, Off the top of my head:
Fuel tank, sender, main body and back and rear doors, frame aft of front clip, springs, some cableing, some wiring, blockerbeam, most of interior.
Shared items include entire drivetrain, steering system, engines and support systems, front frame clip, front hood, fenders, grill, the entire dash and front doors, windshield, front wipers, mirrors, brakes, wheels, main electrical system(modified), A/C compressor, front evaporator. The list goes on and on.
Kind of like the Crew cab is different from the others with a different aft frame clip, and body.
They are more alike than different. That is why the Ford Service Manual Title for say, the 2002 year is
2002 F-Super Duty/Excursion
Workshop Manual
There are enough similarities that the different vehicles are covered under the same manual.
So, IMHO, I don't think Ford ever actually listed the Excursion as "Super Duty Excursion" with out the slash, and possibly rightly so, as it is a different vehicle with a different mission. The only reference that I could find in my Ford Excursion library is "Based on the F-250 Super Duty platform" on page 17 of the Excursion 2000 Sales Book
Workshop Manual
There are enough similarities that the different vehicles are covered under the same manual.
So, IMHO, I don't think Ford ever actually listed the Excursion as "Super Duty Excursion" with out the slash, and possibly rightly so, as it is a different vehicle with a different mission. The only reference that I could find in my Ford Excursion library is "Based on the F-250 Super Duty platform" on page 17 of the Excursion 2000 Sales Book
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I can confidently say I doubt there is anyone on this baod who does not agree a full floating axle is a superior axle for heavy duty use.
On another note I *STILL* have NO clue if we have a 10.25 rear axle odr 10.5, how can you tell what you have? What vehicles got one or the other? I dont know why this confuses me so much, but for some reason I can not find a clear answer anywhere.
On another note I *STILL* have NO clue if we have a 10.25 rear axle odr 10.5, how can you tell what you have? What vehicles got one or the other? I dont know why this confuses me so much, but for some reason I can not find a clear answer anywhere.
The only way I know of, is to pull the rear dif. cover , and look at the carrier itself. It will say on it either 10.5 or 10.25. both carriers will fit. I am sure there is ryme or reason as to which vehicle gets what, I just dont know what .
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Which reminds me - how much more does an EXCURSION weigh over a 3/4 ton Suburban? Isn't it over half a TON more ? Maybe that exlains why every 3/ton Suburban I have ever seen did NOT have a full floating rear axle, and every 4wd EXCURSION I have ever seen DOES have that extra load capacity ? ? ?
The listed generic curb weight for a Suburban is around 5570lbs. The Ex is 7230. About 1660 lbs. difference.
I figure The Ex is about 1410 lbs heavier than a standard F250.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/7...-or-1-ton.html
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The Excursion is pretty much a class of its own.
BUT, it shares so many of its parts with the Super Duty line, that the difference can get pretty thin sometimes.
Comparing the year 2000 vehicles, Off the top of my head:
Fuel tank, sender, main body and back and rear doors, frame aft of front clip, springs, some cableing, some wiring, blockerbeam, most of interior.
Shared items include entire drivetrain, steering system, engines and support systems, front frame clip, front hood, fenders, grill, the entire dash and front doors, windshield, front wipers, mirrors, brakes, wheels, main electrical system(modified), A/C compressor, front evaporator. The list goes on and on.
Kind of like the Crew cab is different from the others with a different aft frame clip, and body.
They are more alike than different. That is why the Ford Service Manual Title for say, the 2002 year is
BUT, it shares so many of its parts with the Super Duty line, that the difference can get pretty thin sometimes.
Comparing the year 2000 vehicles, Off the top of my head:
Fuel tank, sender, main body and back and rear doors, frame aft of front clip, springs, some cableing, some wiring, blockerbeam, most of interior.
Shared items include entire drivetrain, steering system, engines and support systems, front frame clip, front hood, fenders, grill, the entire dash and front doors, windshield, front wipers, mirrors, brakes, wheels, main electrical system(modified), A/C compressor, front evaporator. The list goes on and on.
Kind of like the Crew cab is different from the others with a different aft frame clip, and body.
They are more alike than different. That is why the Ford Service Manual Title for say, the 2002 year is
2002 F-Super Duty/Excursion
Workshop Manual
There are enough similarities that the different vehicles are covered under the same manual.
So, IMHO, I don't think Ford ever actually listed the Excursion as "Super Duty Excursion" with out the slash, and possibly rightly so, as it is a different vehicle with a different mission. The only reference that I could find in my Ford Excursion library is "Based on the F-250 Super Duty platform" on page 17 of the Excursion 2000 Sales Book
Workshop Manual
There are enough similarities that the different vehicles are covered under the same manual.
So, IMHO, I don't think Ford ever actually listed the Excursion as "Super Duty Excursion" with out the slash, and possibly rightly so, as it is a different vehicle with a different mission. The only reference that I could find in my Ford Excursion library is "Based on the F-250 Super Duty platform" on page 17 of the Excursion 2000 Sales Book
Who put those in there and why? I thought they were all 4.6's?
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your right on the 4.6. My bad. I've been thinking truck engines, not cars. All the crown vics I work on even the last 2005 used CHP cars Have the 4.6. They are built tough. Oil coolers, Trans coolers,all very heavy duty.
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Wow! Seems like someone has a chip the size of a....SuperDuty truck....on his shoulder!
I'm kidding, i'm kidding!
The Excursion may not be a SuperDuty truck, but because it was produced on the SuperDuty platform, its easy to associate the Ex with the term "SuperDuty", which has evolved to also include the Excursion because it is a SuperDuty rig. Sure, it's not a truck, but it's still a SuperDuty.
Stewart
I'm kidding, i'm kidding!
The Excursion may not be a SuperDuty truck, but because it was produced on the SuperDuty platform, its easy to associate the Ex with the term "SuperDuty", which has evolved to also include the Excursion because it is a SuperDuty rig. Sure, it's not a truck, but it's still a SuperDuty.
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The last few years arent too bad for 4.6 clown vic's I guess. They will never be a 9C1 LT1 Caprice though....