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Funny how some poo poo those who dismiss something cause its "on the fringe." But its OK fine to jump on the conspiracy theory wagon...
Doesn't the military spec some additives in their jet fuel to limit some of the volatility of the product? Civil aviation (Jet A) doesn't have those requirements? Mainly due to cost considerations?
Doesn't the military spec some additives in their jet fuel to limit some of the volatility of the product? Civil aviation (Jet A) doesn't have those requirements? Mainly due to cost considerations?
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Nomad I said I don't completely dismiss them and DID post a reason why including the US patent number for the application listed. Now I don't believe all of it either but I do have a tendency to believe there is some basis of truth to a lot of conspiracy theories and the basis I can see is the one I posted earlier about putting particulates into the atmosphere to reduce global warming or at least experimenting with it. (really wish they would stop trying to destroy the economy and playing around with stuff that they can't even prove exists but thats another thread)
Now nothing in that is paranoid schizophrenia about the government trying to kill us.
Sheesh I wish some people weren't so willing to dismiss stuff because a fringe element come up with some wacko stuff.
I also don't believe it's chemicals so much but sorry I seriously doubt that ALL those "contrails" are a naturally accurance of jet exhaust at high altitude. and the lame excuses of why some of them last for hours doesn't fly either (even clouds have to move and regenerate or they dissipate so how can something as thin and fragile as the exhaust plumb of a jet engine stay in the same area for hours on end? answer it can't physically)
Oh and no one that I know of has ever said that the chemicals are being sprayed by burning them in the jet engine first so the fuel issue doesn't prove that chemtrails don't exist but rather makes it look even more like a cover up to come up with a cover story for something that isn't even being questioned.
Now nothing in that is paranoid schizophrenia about the government trying to kill us.
Sheesh I wish some people weren't so willing to dismiss stuff because a fringe element come up with some wacko stuff.
I also don't believe it's chemicals so much but sorry I seriously doubt that ALL those "contrails" are a naturally accurance of jet exhaust at high altitude. and the lame excuses of why some of them last for hours doesn't fly either (even clouds have to move and regenerate or they dissipate so how can something as thin and fragile as the exhaust plumb of a jet engine stay in the same area for hours on end? answer it can't physically)
Oh and no one that I know of has ever said that the chemicals are being sprayed by burning them in the jet engine first so the fuel issue doesn't prove that chemtrails don't exist but rather makes it look even more like a cover up to come up with a cover story for something that isn't even being questioned.
The stuff about Chem trails i've heard and read back when I looked in to them was Trying to kill us turn us in to Zombies make White men infertile, spreading a airborne aids directed to blacks I mean some really way the hell out there stuff. I'll have to go back and read more into the post Sorry if I seemed like I was calling you a wacko..
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Fortunately - I have a lot of rolls of tinfoil.
I won't run out of hats for years....
*J/K*
Oddly enough - the landing gear of high performance aircraft is restricted by the total weight at times. Which means fuel must be ditched before landing. It was a big issue around California military bases...
DUMPING JP-5? How dare you...
(Jet Propellant five)
Fuel is measured not in gallons but in POUNDS
I'd have sent them off to go fly some more, personally.
Welcome to the modern world.
I won't run out of hats for years....
*J/K*
Oddly enough - the landing gear of high performance aircraft is restricted by the total weight at times. Which means fuel must be ditched before landing. It was a big issue around California military bases...
DUMPING JP-5? How dare you...
(Jet Propellant five)
Fuel is measured not in gallons but in POUNDS
I'd have sent them off to go fly some more, personally.
Welcome to the modern world.
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If I am not mistaken, newer model commercial jets don't have the ability to dump fuel anymore.
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Not to mention the ones that were saved when the Ufo's try to death ray their tanks.
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Alright, so I think that chemtrails are actually contrails. But I'm not really sure why some stay for hours and others disappear in minutes, it's probably got something to do with the weather at the time, but like I said I'm not sure.
To get back to the aircraft exhaust heat part, I'm taking an aircraft maintenance program right now and this is a diagram right out of one of our textbooks. Yes, you can stand behind a jet aircraft to stay warm but you gotta be pretty far back there to not get blown away.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...annedImage.jpg
I would have just posted the picture but it's an entire page out of the textbook and I don't think the mods would like me posting that lage of a file.
To get back to the aircraft exhaust heat part, I'm taking an aircraft maintenance program right now and this is a diagram right out of one of our textbooks. Yes, you can stand behind a jet aircraft to stay warm but you gotta be pretty far back there to not get blown away.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...annedImage.jpg
I would have just posted the picture but it's an entire page out of the textbook and I don't think the mods would like me posting that lage of a file.
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"Doesn't the military spec some additives in their jet fuel to limit some of the volatility of the product?"
USAF fuel used to be "volatile" (JP-4) and it was decided after the Green Ramp crash at Pope AFB to trade reduced ability to restart in the air for lower volatility and switch to JP-8. JP-5 is primarily a Navy fuel.
Military Aviation Fuel
"Aircraft fuels may be classified under 4 general types:
* Aviation Gasoline [AVGAS] is a petroleum distillate with an approximate boiling range of 35°-165°C (95°-330°F). Gasoline type fuels are not used to any large extent in aircraft turbojet and turboprop engines because of poor lubricating properties as compared to kerosene type fuels and because of lead additives which have an adverse effect on aircraft turbine engines.
* Wide Cut Type (JP 4 and Jet B) fuels are mixtures of gasoline and kerosene distillate fractions with an approximate boiling range of 35°-315°C (95°-600°F). These jet fuels are called wide-cut because the kerosene is cut with gasoline. They are also called wide-range, because of the wide range of boiling temperatures. These distillate-type turbine fuels originated in the USA where readily available gasoline fractions were used to supplement the basic kerosene type of fuel.
* Kerosene Type (JP 8, Jet A 1, and Jet A) fuels are petroleum distillates with an approximate boiling range of 165°-290°C (330°-550°F). In Europe, gasoline was less available after World War II, so these kerosene-based jet fuels prevailed.
* High Flash Point Kerosene (JP 5) fuel has essentially the same characteristics as the kerosene type fuels, but with a minimum flash point of 60°C (140°F). This higher flash point fuel is used to some extent in Presidential Fleet aircraft and is required by the Navy for fire safety purposes aboard aircraft carriers."
"Yes, you can stand behind a jet aircraft to stay warm but you gotta be pretty far back there to not get blown away."
Exhaust can help warm you on cold days, but I preferred bleed air coming from overboard ducts. No combustion products in that.
As far as the Chemtrails nonsense, it's easily solved. Just rent an airplane and fly through a few with some sampling gear, then send the samples with a bogus explanation of where it came from to a lab for a spectrometric analysis. If they last for hours there is plenty of time to "scramble" and go play among them.
USAF fuel used to be "volatile" (JP-4) and it was decided after the Green Ramp crash at Pope AFB to trade reduced ability to restart in the air for lower volatility and switch to JP-8. JP-5 is primarily a Navy fuel.
Military Aviation Fuel
"Aircraft fuels may be classified under 4 general types:
* Aviation Gasoline [AVGAS] is a petroleum distillate with an approximate boiling range of 35°-165°C (95°-330°F). Gasoline type fuels are not used to any large extent in aircraft turbojet and turboprop engines because of poor lubricating properties as compared to kerosene type fuels and because of lead additives which have an adverse effect on aircraft turbine engines.
* Wide Cut Type (JP 4 and Jet B) fuels are mixtures of gasoline and kerosene distillate fractions with an approximate boiling range of 35°-315°C (95°-600°F). These jet fuels are called wide-cut because the kerosene is cut with gasoline. They are also called wide-range, because of the wide range of boiling temperatures. These distillate-type turbine fuels originated in the USA where readily available gasoline fractions were used to supplement the basic kerosene type of fuel.
* Kerosene Type (JP 8, Jet A 1, and Jet A) fuels are petroleum distillates with an approximate boiling range of 165°-290°C (330°-550°F). In Europe, gasoline was less available after World War II, so these kerosene-based jet fuels prevailed.
* High Flash Point Kerosene (JP 5) fuel has essentially the same characteristics as the kerosene type fuels, but with a minimum flash point of 60°C (140°F). This higher flash point fuel is used to some extent in Presidential Fleet aircraft and is required by the Navy for fire safety purposes aboard aircraft carriers."
"Yes, you can stand behind a jet aircraft to stay warm but you gotta be pretty far back there to not get blown away."
Exhaust can help warm you on cold days, but I preferred bleed air coming from overboard ducts. No combustion products in that.
As far as the Chemtrails nonsense, it's easily solved. Just rent an airplane and fly through a few with some sampling gear, then send the samples with a bogus explanation of where it came from to a lab for a spectrometric analysis. If they last for hours there is plenty of time to "scramble" and go play among them.
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yesterday I was up at 6 for two hours I observed a couple jets fly over, contrail dissappeared about a 1/2 mile behind the jet, by 8 o'clock two hours later, the criss-cross pattern started, what a mess they made of the sky,and lasted till dark, and even in the moon light you could still see the haze. now today not one, the sky was completely clear all day, seen a few jets but no lingering trail. say what you like, this isn't normal. If you don't see this where you live, then it's probably hard to imagine what I'm talking about, but if you have seen it, it's got to seem strange to you too. If it's nothing suspicious and just regular commercial flights, they must be some kind of different jets than the others that leave no mess, when there both flying in the same sky. maybe some don't find it offensive, but I do.
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"If it's nothing suspicious and just regular commercial flights, they must be some kind of different jets than the others that leave no mess, when there both flying in the same sky. maybe some don't find it offensive, but I do."
"Same sky" does not equal "same altitude", and "sky" isn't generic. There are different layers of air with different temps and levels of humidity. Some jets don't burn fuel as cleanly as others, but actual smoke is rare nowadays due to electronic engine controls.
I've seen plenty of persisting contrails left by USAF aircraft from units I worked in, and they were fueled from the same fuel tanks and in-ground receptacles as everything else. There is no way to hide a spray rig or similar from the maintainers. Sometimes a contrail is just a contrail.
I'd go on, but I have a Black Helicopter from Illuminati Squadron 666 to preflight. We are escorting a flying saucer full of aliens who are filling their monthly quota for probing Jerry Springer show rejects.
"Same sky" does not equal "same altitude", and "sky" isn't generic. There are different layers of air with different temps and levels of humidity. Some jets don't burn fuel as cleanly as others, but actual smoke is rare nowadays due to electronic engine controls.
I've seen plenty of persisting contrails left by USAF aircraft from units I worked in, and they were fueled from the same fuel tanks and in-ground receptacles as everything else. There is no way to hide a spray rig or similar from the maintainers. Sometimes a contrail is just a contrail.
I'd go on, but I have a Black Helicopter from Illuminati Squadron 666 to preflight. We are escorting a flying saucer full of aliens who are filling their monthly quota for probing Jerry Springer show rejects.
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"If it's nothing suspicious and just regular commercial flights, they must be some kind of different jets than the others that leave no mess, when there both flying in the same sky. maybe some don't find it offensive, but I do."
"Same sky" does not equal "same altitude", and "sky" isn't generic. There are different layers of air with different temps and levels of humidity. Some jets don't burn fuel as cleanly as others, but actual smoke is rare nowadays due to electronic engine controls.
I've seen plenty of persisting contrails left by USAF aircraft from units I worked in, and they were fueled from the same fuel tanks and in-ground receptacles as everything else. There is no way to hide a spray rig or similar from the maintainers. Sometimes a contrail is just a contrail.
I'd go on, but I have a Black Helicopter from Illuminati Squadron 666 to preflight. We are escorting a flying saucer full of aliens who are filling their monthly quota for **** probing Jerry Springer show rejects.
"Same sky" does not equal "same altitude", and "sky" isn't generic. There are different layers of air with different temps and levels of humidity. Some jets don't burn fuel as cleanly as others, but actual smoke is rare nowadays due to electronic engine controls.
I've seen plenty of persisting contrails left by USAF aircraft from units I worked in, and they were fueled from the same fuel tanks and in-ground receptacles as everything else. There is no way to hide a spray rig or similar from the maintainers. Sometimes a contrail is just a contrail.
I'd go on, but I have a Black Helicopter from Illuminati Squadron 666 to preflight. We are escorting a flying saucer full of aliens who are filling their monthly quota for **** probing Jerry Springer show rejects.
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Please rephrase to:
"Horizontally Challenged Sappho-Germanic Inuit Courtesans" who were "sympathetically relocated" to a "proprietary wellness facility".
By the way, the "club-footed swamp bat" is a protected species. If the cat in your avatar shoots one you will be held responsible.
Thank you, and have a sensitive day!
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Just like a Hippie.
All ways worrying about some ones feelings.. Sorry Tofu! boy the Bill of Rights don't say any thing about peoples feelings...
I bet you own a copy of happy feet...
and Beanee babies in the back window of your Yaris.
All ways worrying about some ones feelings.. Sorry Tofu! boy the Bill of Rights don't say any thing about peoples feelings...
I bet you own a copy of happy feet...
and Beanee babies in the back window of your Yaris.
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"Beanee babies in the back window of your Yaris."
Preposterous and foul calumny! Lies, lies, and more lies! I would NEVER expose my precious BBs to sunlight where their glory would fade. (It took too long to stump break them.)
Barack (PBUH) be with you, and may we all join in World Government to beat (your) guns into plowshares.
Preposterous and foul calumny! Lies, lies, and more lies! I would NEVER expose my precious BBs to sunlight where their glory would fade. (It took too long to stump break them.)
Barack (PBUH) be with you, and may we all join in World Government to beat (your) guns into plowshares.