09' Ram Stats
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From: Denver USA
You conveniently left out this part
"Kunselman said the squat amount was normal. Gilles made a conscious decision to remove static rake from the truck when it was designed, for aerodynamic and lateral stability reasons. Most unloaded half-tons sit with their tails high and noses low (like they’re suddenly braking), settling into a level posture when a heavy load has been placed in the bed. The Ram sits level at rest."
"Kunselman said the squat amount was normal. Gilles made a conscious decision to remove static rake from the truck when it was designed, for aerodynamic and lateral stability reasons. Most unloaded half-tons sit with their tails high and noses low (like they’re suddenly braking), settling into a level posture when a heavy load has been placed in the bed. The Ram sits level at rest."
Also, Kunselmen works with Chrysler. He's not someone from the outside. So what he may consider normal squat and what someone knows as normal squat in a leaf spring truck can be totally different. Who says he's not feeding us a line to boost up the truck? I'd trust someone outside the organization saying this is normal squat more than someone inside Chrysler.
Just my thoughts.
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From: Rhode Island
I'm more questioning the fact that the payload of this truck is 1640lbs, but is showing considerable squat with a 100lbs less than 2/3 it's max loaded up.
Also, Kunselmen works with Chrysler. He's not someone from the outside. So what he may consider normal squat and what someone knows as normal squat in a leaf spring truck can be totally different. Who says he's not feeding us a line to boost up the truck? I'd trust someone outside the organization saying this is normal squat more than someone inside Chrysler.
Just my thoughts.
Also, Kunselmen works with Chrysler. He's not someone from the outside. So what he may consider normal squat and what someone knows as normal squat in a leaf spring truck can be totally different. Who says he's not feeding us a line to boost up the truck? I'd trust someone outside the organization saying this is normal squat more than someone inside Chrysler.
Just my thoughts.
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i'm in favor of letting everyone buy a toyota who wants too..... I hope toyotas come out next year with 800 hp......because it just makes me be in a more exclusive club of ford truck owners who actually have good trucks.......Its like buying a volkswagon...most people only do it once
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From: Airdrie Alberta
I want actual suspension drop measured. Not just how low the rear end of the truck is sitting. Then I also want suspension drop measured on a competitors truck. If I jacked the rear end of the dodge up 2-3 inches, so it sat slightly above level with that much weight in it, it would not appear to be squatting, so would that be okay then? I mean ford does it with the F-250s and 350s
Since 05 they have had different axles in the F250's then the F350's, but before that you were right about just the extra 2" block giving it more towing capacity. Problem with trucks squatting is that when the rear is lower then the front, it is taking away the weight needed to properly control the vehicle with a load on, when the rear is higher then the front there is more weight being distributed to the front, when the rear starts dropping below level the weight of the vehicles starts shifting back off the front wheels, I like to be able to turn when I have something heavy in the box so those extra few inches do make a big difference to me. But you are correct on that with those extra inches it takes more for the truck to look like its squating way down.
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What was the Toyota truck in the '90s called? Or did it have a name? I'm just curious on this one...
Actually my friend...the Full sized truck is New to Toyota for the American market. If it weren't, then Toyota would not be calling the 2nd Generation Tundra "All New". This is there "FIRST" entry into the 1/2 ton American market. That is a Fact.
I'm sure your friend will be happy to take his chances on the frame of the Tundra...as I'm sure he will use it as a grocery hauler. Not much chance on twisting that frame for sure.
Plus...I think the new Tundra is a fair truck. It's just my opinion...the the '09 FORD F150 will be better in every facet.
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Indeed!
So with that...I will also state that the '09 F150 will be better in every facet than the '09 Ram 1500. Didn't mean to leave out the Ram.
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So...what you are saying is that the Dakota is a Full size truck?
What was the Toyota truck in the '90s called? Or did it have a name? I'm just curious on this one...
Actually my friend...the Full sized truck is New to Toyota for the American market. If it weren't, then Toyota would not be calling the 2nd Generation Tundra "All New". This is there "FIRST" entry into the 1/2 ton American market. That is a Fact.
I'm sure your friend will be happy to take his chances on the frame of the Tundra...as I'm sure he will use it as a grocery hauler. Not much chance on twisting that frame for sure.
Plus...I think the new Tundra is a fair truck. It's just my opinion...the the '09 FORD F150 will be better in every facet.
biz
What was the Toyota truck in the '90s called? Or did it have a name? I'm just curious on this one...
Actually my friend...the Full sized truck is New to Toyota for the American market. If it weren't, then Toyota would not be calling the 2nd Generation Tundra "All New". This is there "FIRST" entry into the 1/2 ton American market. That is a Fact.
I'm sure your friend will be happy to take his chances on the frame of the Tundra...as I'm sure he will use it as a grocery hauler. Not much chance on twisting that frame for sure.
Plus...I think the new Tundra is a fair truck. It's just my opinion...the the '09 FORD F150 will be better in every facet.
biz
I wouldn't call it a ranger or dakota, but not a half ton either.
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anywho, i have an '08 F150, its an awesome truck, treats me as well as i treat it. i will continue to buy Ford products until i cross to the other side. i could care less about Dodge, Toyota, or any other competition because i know my Ford will meat my needs... i'm a Ford Truck Enthusiast, and thats why i'm here...
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and the toyota the previous poster is talking about is the Toyota T-100.
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From: Denver USA
I want actual suspension drop measured. Not just how low the rear end of the truck is sitting. Then I also want suspension drop measured on a competitors truck. If I jacked the rear end of the dodge up 2-3 inches, so it sat slightly above level with that much weight in it, it would not appear to be squatting, so would that be okay then? I mean ford does it with the F-250s and 350s
Agree 100%
Being you've got 9 posts on the site, how exactly will the Ram be better than the F150? It has less payload, less towing compacity, less interior space, doesn't have a 6spd but sure it has a HEMI.
Not saying it will or won't be better than the F150, simply need a reason why it'll be better. If this is your opinion, please state so, otherwise need data to back your claim. Thanks!
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Being you've got 9 posts on the site, how exactly will the Ram be better than the F150? It has less payload, less towing compacity, less interior space, doesn't have a 6spd but sure it has a HEMI.
Not saying it will or won't be better than the F150, simply need a reason why it'll be better. If this is your opinion, please state so, otherwise need data to back your claim. Thanks!
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From: Denver USA
Exactly! He may be able to claim the Ram has the most powerful gas motor, whether it's the best motor we'll have to wait and see. But to speculate the Ram is better than the F150 simply off the HEMI is short sighted.
