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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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I don't have any but do not disagree with someone who wants one on them. I just feel that when the tattoo fad goes away, as it will, there will be a lot of people wishing they did not have them. Like a friend of my daughters who got "BIT&H" on her back in the normal tramp stamp location. She was sorry within a week.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kw5413
Anyone that thinks that is pretty single mined and ill-informed...and to paraphrase ...."and those who don't understand this are no better informed than inner city kids thinking they can speak ebonics and still succeed in the business"
Are you really so naive to think the term "tramp stamp" came about for no reason?
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 70blue
My IQ surpasses the majority of the population and I got both of mine sober. Now what?
A person with an IQ which should be smart enough to discern the difference between my saying "a lot of people" and "all people." Besides, what does intelligence have to do with good judgement? j/k
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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Here's the amazing thing:

People say they don't care about what people think about their tattoos yet they make posts asking for opinions about them, and others get defensive about them. Their sensitivity to the subject is apparent when I state what many people in the world think, and say that they aren't necessarily my feelings on the matter... and state the facts about how it impacts them in the business world. So they jump on it as if I said it was my opinion, not being able to discern the message from the messenger.

Maybe some folks get tattoos because their skin is thin?
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by freirefishing
everyone has different views,some are stereotypical...plus ya gotta think if they dismiss someone because of a tat,they usually stereotype in all aspects,probably close minded as well.......i would stay clear of those types vs someone with a tat
Stating that people who dismiss those with tats stereotype in all aspects.... isn't the above statement stereotyping people?


Frankly, I don't know anyone who would dismiss someone solely because of tattoos who on the same token would not hire them to interact with customers in a business environment if they had visible tattoos. Your personal statements are your business. If they have the potential to impact sales they are your bosses business. Obviously that doesn't apply in all environments, but it does in many.

I'd hire an inside sales or back office person with a tattoo in a heartbeat. I've hired 3 employees in the last 12 years with tats but would not hire someone to interact with customers if they had a tattoo across the back of their hand. The business world is often very conservative when it comes to "fashion" and when in Rome...
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dono
A fun exercise ..... get a group of tatooed friends togather and ask those that were sober at the time to raise their hands.
Depends somewhat on the age group. Most of the younger people were not drunk. The tattoo shop can now lose their license for tattooing intoxicated people. I think the individual artist can be fined as well. It had apparently been that way for awhile when I got mine 10 years ago. I watched them turn away perfectly sober people because they had alcohol on their breath. This was at bike rallies so the laws must be pretty strict.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FTE Ken
I'd hire an inside sales or back office person with a tattoo in a heartbeat. I've hired 3 employees in the last 12 years with tats but would not hire someone to interact with customers if they had a tattoo across the back of their hand. ...
I wouldn't hire anyone with obvious tattoos that can't be completely covered with short sleeve shirt or pants. If someone already worked for me and got a visible tattoo and they had to deal with the public it would be their last day on the job.
Frankly, I don't know anyone who would dismiss someone solely because of tattoos who on the same token would not hire them to interact with customers in a business environment if they had visible tattoos



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Are you really so naive to think the term "tramp stamp" came about for no reason?
Certainly not. Nor am I so naive to think that people with physical distractions (self induced or otherwise) cannot function very successfully in a public environment.


I wonder how you judge people that are obese? Not easily disguised or covered up. Some folks consider the condition as disgusting. I don't guess you would want them dealing with the public either. Or someone that has large birthmark on their face....well, the judgmental list could go on, and on.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kw5413
One case was outside sales, the other was not.

Certainly not. Nor am I so naive to think that people with physical distractions (self induced or otherwise) cannot function very successfully in a public environment.
I never said they couldn't.

I wonder how you judge people that are obese? Not easily disguised or covered up. Some folks consider the condition as disgusting. I don't guess you would want them dealing with the public either.
My stance is the same --- they would not be suited for outside sales. As a large guy myself I wouldn't even consider an outside sales job.

Or someone that has large birthmark on their face....
Apples and oranges. Something someone has done to themselves verses something they are born with.

well, the judgmental list could go on, and on.
Who represents a company has always been about judging the candidate's suitability to the position. Its not a judgement about the person, but their suitability to the position. There are many factors... if they can't speak English well they wouldn't be doing outside sales. If they had to drive 70 miles to the job I'd first try to find a closer candidate - finding help is expensive and you don't want to have to do it again in 4 months when they find a closer job. Some things will ultimately exclude or diminish a candidate's chances at a position -- for instance... you and your wife (implied by one of your posts) consider the 1 page resume as a better chance to get your foot in the door than the 2 page. Isn't that kind of "judgementalism" dimishing the chances some candidates have? Isn't a candidate worth your time to read all the resume? Probably not if you're like me and you get hundreds of resumes for a position and still have to do your normal job while hiring someone. Its a judgement call, and there's nothing wrong with making it.

What if they didn't take baths? Or they never brushed their teeth? Or they had no front teeth and no dentures to hide the fact? What if they wore condoms as ear rings? What if they decided to place a large wooden bone through their nose? What if their means of "expressing themselves" was to fart loudly when they met someone? Would they be suitable candidates for meeting with potential clients? What if they "expressed themselves" by wearing cut-off shorts and wife-beater shirts at shirt and tie meetings with clients? What if they wore a swastika? All which would make them unsuitable for an outside sales position - yet they are perfectly entitled to do these things and live with the consequences.

So please put the "judgementalism" judgement of your own away because I can point out posts from practically anyone (yourself included) showing judgement calls. Its part of daily life, whether its to hire a candidate, to stay away from a bad part of town, to lock the doors on your vehicle(s), who your friends are and why they are your friends, etc.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dono
A fun exercise ..... get a group of tatooed friends togather and ask those that were sober at the time to raise their hands.
I know this is sarcatic. Or i hope it is! I was stone sober when I got mine. It was a way to cover my bullet hole. I'm not ashamed of my Tat.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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I cannot top what was said, but I'll say this as stupid as it may sound and quite frankly I don't care how it is received, Iam proud to be married to my wife who has a tatoo, I did not aprove of it then and still don't now but went with her to get as it was her business, however she has the good sense to keep it from public veiw except a few close friends of her's she has shown this off to. Now to my take on this which she know's is even though married every now and then again I'll see what would be a very attractive women until I get to the tatoo, ruined every thing right there or yes even worse metal need I say more, ranks right in there with cutters seen a few of those too, cannot think they have much respect for themselves and guy's with iron hanging out of god knows what, common the cave man thing was done about 10,000 years ago.
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by freirefishing
the 30 inch wingspan of a bird above there buns
to quote the movie duece bigalow
That's a huge bitch!
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by horsepuller
for the public to see, you make your business my business. I'm not really interested in a stranger's personal business. .
do you feel the same way about skinny chicks with DD's? cause they're more than likely "out there" for the public to see
 
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Old Jul 26, 2008 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jake00
do you feel the same way about skinny chicks with DD's? cause they're more than likely "out there" for the public to see
Skinny chicks with DDs
 
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Old Jul 27, 2008 | 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by jake00
do you feel the same way about skinny chicks with DD's? cause they're more than likely "out there" for the public to see
People who think they're hot, are not.
 
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Old Jul 27, 2008 | 03:09 AM
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People who think they're hot, are not.
oh wait its true, never mind
 
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