Tattoos
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From: EDGEWOOD
I 100% agree!!!!
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I agree with you, but its about representation. What looks better, a clean shaven fella, or a fella with a bikers beard? "hippy" hair, or a clean cut haircut?
No tatoo's visable, or tatoos visable? Some people still associate tat's with gangs and stuff like that, so they will steer clear.
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For the record, I have none, my wife has 5.
All of hers are to have meant/mean something from various travels, expereinces, and life journeys.
All are coverable, easily, and all but one are non-visable in a tanktop and shorts.
That said:
Very well stated, very well.
I completely agree on the covering aspect from work, although I don't believe a business judgement should be made based on the tattoo alone.
I think that would be hasty, and inconclusive decision.
What if you are looking for a web designer, have a interview lined up with a kid, he shows up well dressed, well mannered, you hadn't checked his resume yet, but dismissed him based on a tat that wasn't completely covered.
Come to find out he is the most talented person you will come across, and your descrimination led you to a wrongful judgement.
And if you had simply found out what he was really like, his knowledge base, and checked his excellant ref's, then you could have disclosed your cover up policy at work.....................hypothetical to a point, but this comes from a recent interview sit-in here.
As for the women are easy: C'mon Ken. Really? My wife has 5 as I said above. She was far from it. She still isn't.
Judging a book by it's color.............
I fully believe much of what you see the last several years with the tramp stamps, and the like, is cultural, almost fad like. Hey she got one, so why not me?
To each his own, YOUR body is YOUR temple.
That said, some pre talk on tastefulness could be a helpful tactic for some folks.
I know too many "white" collar Architects, Engineers, IT, Doctors, a Lawyer, all who have tats.
Maybe white trash for some, for others, simply a personal statement.........
All of hers are to have meant/mean something from various travels, expereinces, and life journeys.
All are coverable, easily, and all but one are non-visable in a tanktop and shorts.
That said:
Tattoos were done for thousands of years and by cultures all over the world. What they were used for runs the gamut of reasons. To show you came of "age", what your family or tribe was. What you did as a warrior or to commenorate an special event in your life. Done for religious, good luck and for "health" too.
But it was not just the Men as Women wore tattoos as status, tribal affiliation, "coming of age" as will as for beauty. Many American indian tribes wore tattoos but more dropped it after Missionaries got after them about it.
Tattoos have been found on Ancient Egyptian, Peruvian, and Scythian mummies. Even the "Ice Age Man", Oski, from the Copper Age Europe....had tattoos. His is the oldest found at 5,000 years old. Tattooing never quite died though even after Christianity "came" to Europe....it just went underground.
Then when 18th century sailors came back with tales of "painted" natives in New Zealand/Polynisia, this sparked a new revival as a fashion. Even amongst the "high society" and royality who held "tattoo parties". I remember reading even small children might have a small tat as an identifying mark during a time when child kidnapping was on the rise.
But sometime in the early 20th century, tattoos became something only sailors, criminals, or other "low lifes" used. At best, it was circus attraction. But beginning in the 60s, attitudes about tattooing started to change. The biggest explosion came during the late 80s to where it was beginning to be accepted as a real art form. But old attitudes die hard. Of course, in the business world, a certain "image" is expected.
The ban from the Bible, however, I believe was more to distinquish the Hebrews from their pagan neighbors who "marked" themselves. I do not remember exactly where it supposed to be either in the King James Bible...if at all.
But it was not just the Men as Women wore tattoos as status, tribal affiliation, "coming of age" as will as for beauty. Many American indian tribes wore tattoos but more dropped it after Missionaries got after them about it.
Tattoos have been found on Ancient Egyptian, Peruvian, and Scythian mummies. Even the "Ice Age Man", Oski, from the Copper Age Europe....had tattoos. His is the oldest found at 5,000 years old. Tattooing never quite died though even after Christianity "came" to Europe....it just went underground.
Then when 18th century sailors came back with tales of "painted" natives in New Zealand/Polynisia, this sparked a new revival as a fashion. Even amongst the "high society" and royality who held "tattoo parties". I remember reading even small children might have a small tat as an identifying mark during a time when child kidnapping was on the rise.
But sometime in the early 20th century, tattoos became something only sailors, criminals, or other "low lifes" used. At best, it was circus attraction. But beginning in the 60s, attitudes about tattooing started to change. The biggest explosion came during the late 80s to where it was beginning to be accepted as a real art form. But old attitudes die hard. Of course, in the business world, a certain "image" is expected.
The ban from the Bible, however, I believe was more to distinquish the Hebrews from their pagan neighbors who "marked" themselves. I do not remember exactly where it supposed to be either in the King James Bible...if at all.
You may disagree with anyone about it, but the fact is you are cutting yourself out of a good portion of the job market with large, visible tattoos. How employees look in a public business setting is certainly the business owner's "business." I wouldn't hire anyone with obvious tattoos that can't be completely covered with short sleeve shirt or pants. If someone already worked for me and got a visible tattoo and they had to deal with the public it would be their last day on the job. Its not that I have anything against them personally (I don't), but from a business perspective its a no-go.
Tattoos on women is often a good indicator they are "easy." They don't call some of them "tramp stamps" for nothing. There's also the difference between a small tasteful tat and overly done. Too many and/or overly done smacks of white trash to some. Its like long hair: I remember saying I'd never cut mine short... I wised up as I aged. A tattoo cannot be easily or cheaply reversed so its a little too late to change your mind later on.
Tattoos on women is often a good indicator they are "easy." They don't call some of them "tramp stamps" for nothing. There's also the difference between a small tasteful tat and overly done. Too many and/or overly done smacks of white trash to some. Its like long hair: I remember saying I'd never cut mine short... I wised up as I aged. A tattoo cannot be easily or cheaply reversed so its a little too late to change your mind later on.
I completely agree on the covering aspect from work, although I don't believe a business judgement should be made based on the tattoo alone.
I think that would be hasty, and inconclusive decision.
What if you are looking for a web designer, have a interview lined up with a kid, he shows up well dressed, well mannered, you hadn't checked his resume yet, but dismissed him based on a tat that wasn't completely covered.
Come to find out he is the most talented person you will come across, and your descrimination led you to a wrongful judgement.
And if you had simply found out what he was really like, his knowledge base, and checked his excellant ref's, then you could have disclosed your cover up policy at work.....................hypothetical to a point, but this comes from a recent interview sit-in here.
As for the women are easy: C'mon Ken. Really? My wife has 5 as I said above. She was far from it. She still isn't.
Judging a book by it's color.............
I fully believe much of what you see the last several years with the tramp stamps, and the like, is cultural, almost fad like. Hey she got one, so why not me?
To each his own, YOUR body is YOUR temple.
That said, some pre talk on tastefulness could be a helpful tactic for some folks.
I know too many "white" collar Architects, Engineers, IT, Doctors, a Lawyer, all who have tats.
Maybe white trash for some, for others, simply a personal statement.........
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I agree with you, but its about representation. What looks better, a clean shaven fella, or a fella with a bikers beard? "hippy" hair, or a clean cut haircut?
No tatoo's visable, or tatoos visable? Some people still associate tat's with gangs and stuff like that, so they will steer clear.
No tatoo's visable, or tatoos visable? Some people still associate tat's with gangs and stuff like that, so they will steer clear.
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From: North Central Rural Sask.
Im with ya too, I would look beyond that too, but the reality is, alot of people wouldnt.
Also It does depend on what line of work it is in. Compare a tatooed up lawyer to a tatooed up construction worker for instance.
Also It does depend on what line of work it is in. Compare a tatooed up lawyer to a tatooed up construction worker for instance.
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From: EDGEWOOD
I have about 10 tats some not so easy to cover.. clean shaved ..very short hair sometimes shaved.. and I am the assistant chief for Torrance co. fire dept my tattoos do not change my love for the dept our how much I care and want to be there to help anyone who may need me our does it the people I help most my tats are fire dept related to a extent....bottom line when they need me they really don't care what i look like
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From: Clearwater, Fl
everyone has different views,some are stereotypical...plus ya gotta think if they dismiss someone because of a tat,they usually stereotype in all aspects,probably close minded as well.......i would stay clear of those types vs someone with a tat
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A tattoo may not "make" anyone anything but how perception is often reality, and if someone's tattoos are going to cost me business they won't work for me.
Folks are welcome to "statements" with tattoos all they want... impact my income and they'll go make it elsewhere. That's the bottom line, and those who don't understand this are no better informed than inner city kids thinking they can speak ebonics and still succeed in the business.
It may not be right, but that's the reality of business.
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Old ideas die hard, and eventually people probably won't have so many pre-conceived notions about folks with tattoos. Remember how The Beatles were called "longhairs"?
They sure would not be called longhairs now.
They sure would not be called longhairs now.
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From: Melbourne, Ky
Well, I work on trucks at garages all over Ky and In. If I was offended by tattoes, I would need to find a different line of work. Personally, I don't have any, nor does my wife. To each their own. However, I will say this, earings in the nose, lip, or tongue, is a distraction to me when trying to carry on a conversation with that person. I get too many holes poked into me by accident from hot metal to ever have one poked in me on purpose. If you're trying to get my attention, just show some nicely tanned skin without any ink, or metal. However, if you feel different, then go ahead and do what you want.
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Anyone that thinks that is pretty single mined and ill-informed...and to paraphrase ...."and those who don't understand this are no better informed than inner city kids thinking they can speak ebonics and still succeed in the business"
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It's your own skin if you want to put ink on it go right ahead. I personally don't think differently of people who have tat's. I like them, it's the ultimate form of self-expression, not to mention if you get the right artist a true peice of art. I'm getting one myself (If I can ever find somebody to draw it up for me before I go in to the shop). It will be in a place that easily covered up but not hidden so far out of view that I'll have to contort myself to see it.
As for the "if you have a visible tattoo I'll fire you", thoughts. That's fine each person is free to think however they want, but if it was me I'd probably be better off not working with you if your that thick-headed.
P.S I also think that tramp stamps are becoming way to common place. But there's just something about women with ink that I like.
As for the "if you have a visible tattoo I'll fire you", thoughts. That's fine each person is free to think however they want, but if it was me I'd probably be better off not working with you if your that thick-headed.
P.S I also think that tramp stamps are becoming way to common place. But there's just something about women with ink that I like.
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Good thing I don't work for Ken... hmmm... I don't work for anyone anymore. Well... that being the case, I'd get my Eagle series completed if I could afford it and IF I wasn't taking a blood thinner now. ( Was in hospital last month, with blood clots in lung.) Coumadin for the rest of my life, they tell me. So, no more tats for me, as much as I'd like to fini my "project".
As for tats... I like to look at the tat magazines, because every now and again, I see some that are really true art. Tattoo artists nowdays, are better artists and are more willing to do out of the ordinary tattoos.
If ya do a search, there's another tattoo thread here, asking what ya got. I have three and would love to finish the back piece off, by having the scene run over the top of my shoulder, diagonally down across my chest, under my left arm and coming back up to attach to the back piece.
I can't see why it is that people have monsters, ogres, blood and guts, etc., put on them, but that's their choice. I chose to have something more "real life" on me... and I think I started with my first tat in 99. Everyone who sees my back piece loves it, including doctors and nurses, who've had reason to see my back, during an exam or the injection procedure.
The inks, nowadays, is better, lasts MUCH longer ( as long as you don't sunburn it off! ) and don't fade or "run" like the old blue styles did.
So... when and if I make it to 80...( not a chance ).... my eagles will all have landed. LOL. So what?
As for tats... I like to look at the tat magazines, because every now and again, I see some that are really true art. Tattoo artists nowdays, are better artists and are more willing to do out of the ordinary tattoos.
If ya do a search, there's another tattoo thread here, asking what ya got. I have three and would love to finish the back piece off, by having the scene run over the top of my shoulder, diagonally down across my chest, under my left arm and coming back up to attach to the back piece.
I can't see why it is that people have monsters, ogres, blood and guts, etc., put on them, but that's their choice. I chose to have something more "real life" on me... and I think I started with my first tat in 99. Everyone who sees my back piece loves it, including doctors and nurses, who've had reason to see my back, during an exam or the injection procedure.
The inks, nowadays, is better, lasts MUCH longer ( as long as you don't sunburn it off! ) and don't fade or "run" like the old blue styles did.
So... when and if I make it to 80...( not a chance ).... my eagles will all have landed. LOL. So what?
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Anyways... I have 6 pretty large tats, and as I sit here at work, my coworkers can see 4 of them. One down each leg and one up each arm.
Myself, I consider it an art, and I want people to be able to see it. Of course, I'm not going to get one on my neck or face, and I can still cover the ones I have up with a long sleeve shirt and pants when I need to represent my company in any way.
When I go to an interview, I always cover them, and cover them my first day of work. Then at the end of my first day, I walk into the boss's office, roll up my sleeves and say "so what's your policy on tattos?" If they don't want to see them, long sleeves it is. If they don't mind.. good for me.
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My wife is thinking of getting one. She has a thing for the praying hands and wants her dad's name in there somewhere. Don't know if it will happen on not.
As for me... Well I have a scar that run from the bottom of my ribs to the groin. It is something I will have to live with for the rest of my life... So what is a little bit of ink?
Quite a few of our friends have tattoos of various things and various places on the body.
As for me... Well I have a scar that run from the bottom of my ribs to the groin. It is something I will have to live with for the rest of my life... So what is a little bit of ink?
Quite a few of our friends have tattoos of various things and various places on the body.