View Poll Results: MPG or Horsepower
20 MPG and 7000lb towing capacity (0-60 in 15 seconds)
84
59.57%
15 MPG and 10 000lb towing capacity (0-60 in 10 or better)
57
40.43%
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MPG or Power?
Laughing Gas
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Washington
The ecoboost will be a 3.5L V-6 that produces around 340 hp and 350 ft lbs. at like 1500 rpms. is what I have heard. So that would be V-8 power with V-6 fuel economy. There is also going to be a 2.0L version that produces like 275 hp and 280 ft. lbs. so big v-6, small v-8 power with 4 cylinder fuel economy.
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From: Campbell River, B.C.
Maybe, but diesels are actually MOST efficient at idle up to mid power output because the intake is open at all times (this ofcourse assumes no emission controls). Gas engines are the least efficient at idle because of all the vacuum they are pulling to maintain the ideal mixture ratio. Cylinder deactivation is really just a way of keeping the throttle more open with less fuel flowing without throwing the mixture off and causing detonation.
Diesels bypass that problem and thats why I feel it is a superior engine design. Building a diesel (or maybe multi-fuel
) engine that runs unthrottled and can swallow a surplus of air without self destructing sounds like the next logical step in the evolution of the internal combustion engine, its about time. Such an engine actually required less sohpisticated systems to manage normal operation because of the extra air that is ingested results in a more complete burn. Nox emissions are a problem though.
Although, we are still probably only going to see 30-40% efficiency at the crank, but from 25% that is still a big improvement.
Diesels bypass that problem and thats why I feel it is a superior engine design. Building a diesel (or maybe multi-fuel
) engine that runs unthrottled and can swallow a surplus of air without self destructing sounds like the next logical step in the evolution of the internal combustion engine, its about time. Such an engine actually required less sohpisticated systems to manage normal operation because of the extra air that is ingested results in a more complete burn. Nox emissions are a problem though.Although, we are still probably only going to see 30-40% efficiency at the crank, but from 25% that is still a big improvement.
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Joined: Dec 2001
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From: Louisville,Ky.
I use my truck as a truck as well as a daily driver, so available power for towing 7000lbs is a must. If I want high mpg, i would buy a Focus.
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Post Fiend
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: Texas
I see the Focus comment a lot when dealing with mileage comments. If anyone can show me a focus that will carry 1,000 lbs of tools & equipment, hold a couple of 40' ladders, and pull 4k or 5k trailers on a daily basis I will replace my fleet tomorrow. Maybe the Fusion can replace my 350's and I could swap the 450's for that 500 model
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However, that's part of the problem isn't it?
Why does a light duty pick up need to weigh 6,000lbs?
If they could drop the weight by 20% and up the economy by 20%, it would be a step in the right direction. You'd still have the same load carrying capabilities, just the GVWR would decrease. (Which would also help decrease licensing costs, at least where I am.)
The lighter weight would also help with performance for those that want race trucks.
Why does a light duty pick up need to weigh 6,000lbs?
If they could drop the weight by 20% and up the economy by 20%, it would be a step in the right direction. You'd still have the same load carrying capabilities, just the GVWR would decrease. (Which would also help decrease licensing costs, at least where I am.)
The lighter weight would also help with performance for those that want race trucks.
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From: Texas
However, that's part of the problem isn't it?
Why does a light duty pick up need to weigh 6,000lbs?
If they could drop the weight by 20% and up the economy by 20%, it would be a step in the right direction. You'd still have the same load carrying capabilities, just the GVWR would decrease. (Which would also help decrease licensing costs, at least where I am.)
The lighter weight would also help with performance for those that want race trucks.
Why does a light duty pick up need to weigh 6,000lbs?
If they could drop the weight by 20% and up the economy by 20%, it would be a step in the right direction. You'd still have the same load carrying capabilities, just the GVWR would decrease. (Which would also help decrease licensing costs, at least where I am.)
The lighter weight would also help with performance for those that want race trucks.
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Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 22,436
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From: Louisville,Ky.
However, that's part of the problem isn't it?
Why does a light duty pick up need to weigh 6,000lbs?
If they could drop the weight by 20% and up the economy by 20%, it would be a step in the right direction. You'd still have the same load carrying capabilities, just the GVWR would decrease. (Which would also help decrease licensing costs, at least where I am.)
The lighter weight would also help with performance for those that want race trucks.
Why does a light duty pick up need to weigh 6,000lbs?
If they could drop the weight by 20% and up the economy by 20%, it would be a step in the right direction. You'd still have the same load carrying capabilities, just the GVWR would decrease. (Which would also help decrease licensing costs, at least where I am.)
The lighter weight would also help with performance for those that want race trucks.
My 01 Supercab with power everything but seats, 5.4L auto 4x4 weighs about 5200#. The new ones are bigger and I'm sure are pushing close to 6K.
A weight reduction is needed. A 1/2 ton doesn't need to tow like a SuperDuty. I feel the 8000# is plenty of towing for a 1/2 ton.
Mine is rated @ 7400# and I have no problem with that.
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Joined: Jun 2006
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From: Ottawa, Ontario
It doesn't.. but good luck finding a 2wd regular cab 1-ton diesel with a bench seat and manual everything on dealer parking lot. They don't stock them because there's no profit in it, and people wouldn't buy them anyway.. they would rather have a Lincoln Navigator with a 5ft box even though there's only 1 person in the truck 99% of the time, they have little or no need for 4wd, and all the gadgets are just for bragging rights. People can have the milage and performance they want if they are more realistic about what's really needed in a "work truck".
