need help timimg a 5.4
Mountain Pass
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Okay, looking for help on verifying timing
I have set everything as suggested here and everywhere else I have found, turned the motor over by hand (it is out of the truck) and the marks don't seem to line back up again. Now I realize that it will need to rotate a few times but dose anyone know how many times. Also it seem that the closets it gets is one link off on the crank, the cam lines up again but the crank doesn't the link that is darker than the rest ends up hitting right behind the timing mark. Let me know any help that you guys can give. THanks
I have pics that don't seem to be posting here so let me know and I can e-mail them.
Crank - Right Chanin | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
I have pics that don't seem to be posting here so let me know and I can e-mail them.
Crank - Right Chanin | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
New User
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From: Oklahoma
I have set everything as suggested here and everywhere else I have found, turned the motor over by hand (it is out of the truck) and the marks don't seem to line back up again. Now I realize that it will need to rotate a few times but dose anyone know how many times. Also it seem that the closets it gets is one link off on the crank, the cam lines up again but the crank doesn't the link that is darker than the rest ends up hitting right behind the timing mark. Let me know any help that you guys can give. THanks
I have pics that don't seem to be posting here so let me know and I can e-mail them.
Crank - Right Chanin | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
I have pics that don't seem to be posting here so let me know and I can e-mail them.
Crank - Right Chanin | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Mountain Pass
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Thank you for the reply, I had everything lined up, I guess what is bothering me the most is, what everyone has said about the 12, 11, and 6 (or 7 depending on which version) o-clock. When I have all the marks lined up on the cams (i.e. 2 dark links) and the crank (one darker link) the crank is mark i at 5-5:30 and the keyway is at like 10.
Here look at these pics and let me know your opinion.
Right-Cam_3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
left-Cam_3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
crank-3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Thanks
Here look at these pics and let me know your opinion.
Right-Cam_3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
left-Cam_3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
crank-3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Thanks
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From: Oklahoma
Thank you for the reply, I had everything lined up, I guess what is bothering me the most is, what everyone has said about the 12, 11, and 6 (or 7 depending on which version) o-clock. When I have all the marks lined up on the cams (i.e. 2 dark links) and the crank (one darker link) the crank is mark i at 5-5:30 and the keyway is at like 10.
Here look at these pics and let me know your opinion.
Right-Cam_3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
left-Cam_3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
crank-3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Thanks
Here look at these pics and let me know your opinion.
Right-Cam_3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
left-Cam_3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
crank-3rd try | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Thanks
- 10:00 on the crank guide pin, dot on the bottom, 6:00. 12:00 on the rt cam and 1:00 on the left cam- single black link on bottom at 6:00, other 2 cams line- R for rt or a line. L for left lined up between the double dark links. the left cam will have tension on it unless your valve rollers are removed. I held it in place with vice grips locked down at 1:00. your pictures look opposite. I can send you the Ford picture if you send me a private message. the different diagrams out there get confusing.
Mountain Pass
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The truck is a 2000 5.4L, 2v.
I think I sent you a PM, if I figured out how to do that correct.
Actually you have it set so you can't receive PM messages.
I think I sent you a PM, if I figured out how to do that correct.
Actually you have it set so you can't receive PM messages.
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Mountain Pass
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I think I understood what you were referring to with the guides.
How does it look now.
switched Guide- left | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
switched Guide - Right | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
How does it look now.
switched Guide- left | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
switched Guide - Right | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
New User
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From: Oklahoma
Truthfully to be safe- I cant give a direct opinion. Mine is a 5.4 3v 2004, similir but different I think. My phazers look different and where the line ups are seem to be different also. I dont have diagrahms on a 2000 2v. I better opt out before I get you in trouble.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Raleigh USA
Mech your marks look good just as long as the right side chain is lined up at the same place on the crank as the left chain. It doesn't really matter what o'clock the crank or cams are just as long as the marks line up. FGR look back a few pages to where I explained how to set the cam timing. The 3v engine is the same with the exemption of the L and R timing marks on the phasers. You line up the chain with the L mark on the driver's side phaser and the R mark on the passenger side phaser. If you don't have a L and R mark on your phasers then you have the old style that knocks and should be replaced to the updated design parts.
New User
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I just installed a new timing chain kit (chains, crank gear, chain guide, and tensioners) on my 97 f150 5.4l i did not time the engine with cylinder 1 at tdc...the chain has black links. the cam gear mark is between the two black links and the crank gear marks r in the center of the single black link... because i did not do this with cylinder1 at tdc can i be 180 degrees off? like on exhaust cyle verse intake cyle? just wondering if something i did was wrong, truck will not start. its getting fuel...i change the plugs while i was at it. i erased all the ecu codes. ive gotten 2 pops turning it over i tried starting fluid, still no difference i havent checked spark but im more concerned if i failed at the timing install?
Postmaster
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From: Chesapeake, Va.
From your description I would say your engine is out of time AND you may have bent some valves by trying to start it. At this point if the valves are bent there is little you can do about it without pulling the heads. There is a recent post that shows the timing set up and you might as well just try to get it right. Turn the engine over by hand to get your marks right and pray that you did no damage. If it starts and runs do a compression test to see if any valves are bent. It might just run good enough and then again, you might have gotten lucky and not bent any.