I've opened up my contact information, view my public profile and you'll see a link to my website. I have a contact # there. If your serious about going for a ride and seeing the HAFC work, give me a call. Please don't call to harrass, all numbers are traced via the RCF system for marketing reasons. I will know who you are, where you live and your phone number, and any information you may have hanging out there on the net.... So harrassment will not be tolorated.

I'm very interested in putting this to rest. Very important, you must have 500+ posts here to be considered.

 

Ok, igotoneforya. your on.

Check my profile for contact information. You can reach me via the number on my website.

To those who wish to harrass, I track all incomming calls via a RCF system. If it's on the internet (including your credit report, address ect) it will be listed on my marketing reports. So save your harrassment for the results of the test drive.

 

Yes it's a hoax, or scam. Don't know why it took 9 pages.

 

If I drove cross country, yes I would bring veggie with me. It costs nothing so why not? Would you stop at a gas station if you were to make that same drive? It's easy for me to bring extra veggie oil in the truck or in the trailer if I'm dragging one anyway.

I'll make it simple for you-
At your 30mpg, you are still spending more cash on dino fuel than me to get your 1995 F150 the same number of miles.

And you are polluting more with that antique


And I also like your comment about needing 500+ posts from the troll who came in here to stir the pot.

If it works that's cool. Good for you. In the fuel you save you can go out and get a new truck maybe?

 

Good grief. If you don't want to be harassed don't put your information out there! Don't come here, post your BS, challenge people, post your personal info and then threaten people not to harass you.

Then you, with your massive 10 posts, tell us that we've got to have 500 posts to be considered. Get the flock outta here.

Why don't you simply "go to a dyno, and post before and after sheets of the air/fuel ratio readings (system on/off)" (from Fosters), video tape them and post them on YouTube.

And post your info that Ford is "backing this one" (post #104). Otherwise take your B U L L S H I T & go somewhere else.

 

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C'mon - Monst - let's be fair. While some of us have had a lot of fun, myself included, making fun of some of the more whacko claims that show up from time to time, fact is some of our "back-yard" boys HAVE come up with ways to improve mileage/effiency.

I am sorry this guy got mad at me - I most certainly am NOT opposed to new technology. I am not even opposed to OLD technology, even VERY old technology such as hydrogen generators and water injection for example.

At some point in time, someone will come up with a viable way to get these ideas that seem a bit on the goofy side, to a stage when they make sense in mass production, in a form the buying public will accept, and infrastructure can support. I most certainly do NOT think that hydrogen-based technology is a "con". Just "not ready for prime time".....YET !

You cant blame Detroit for being a bit "gun shy" on promoting change in the "status quo". How many of you know about the marvelous engineering, stream-lining, and all-steel unitized body of the mid 1930's Chrysler Airflow, that was totally rejected by a conservative buying public. Who remembers when Ford first tried putting seat belts in cars, only to have the buying public reject the idea, cut them out of the cars...(after all..who wants an "unsafe" car").

How many of you know about the performance of the Baker Electric ? Damn good car. You could plug it in, and then drive for hours at a pretty good clip, using 1910 technology ! Went out of business in the mid 1920's. Jus didn't catch the public "fancy".

So - I suggest we continue to have fun with some of these guys who think they've re-invented the wheel, but give them a little "slack". ( I mean..who knows..maybe some of these guys will place an order to me for my excess inventory of horny squirrels......! )

 

well,

i'm not going to say YES but everyone here should keep an eye on ford in the NEAR future when regarding the HAFC and PICC because a little "trust worthy" mouse told me that ford has partnered with this company and it's no joke at all..

look out toyota, honda

 

well, i might as well just say it...

a guy i work with installs these things and i've been a very big sceptic about it for quite some time now until a guy i work with got one and doubled his MPG without even tuning it. He has a Expy with the 5.4 L and he went from 13 mpg to 28 without tuning it.

i'm not a sales man so don't contact me but i will be buying one....the company i work for bought a couple of them also to try them out on our fleet vehicles...i don't have any information about them yet but i'm sure they are seeing the same results...

the company offers a guarantee that if you don't get at least 50% better MPG you get your money back...

you guys can say it doesn't work all you want but the proof for me was finding out that FORD is backing them and to my knowlege will be putting them on their vehicles in the future after their R&D is over and they go through all of their logistics and development of everything...

no joke so keep looking if you don't believe it....


hopefully this puts DETROIT back on the map

 

Many of us have asked that claim to be proven or backed with some sort of tangible proof. Can it be done by you?

 

well, i'll be honest...i can't give you proof...i work with the guy and he's a good friend of mine and a few of the guys at work have bought the thing from him a while back...in the last couple months the kits have been coming in and he's been putting them on their truck/cars/suvs.....

my experience so far is that they work better on ford vehicles than other makes. The kid is supposed to be universal but from what i have been hearing at work it's working much better on Ford cars/trucks vs anything else...

that being said we have been bugging "the installer" about the kit for quite some time now and he kept saying that their would be a big announcement coming out at some point in the future about a major car manufacture picking it up and working with the company to mass produce the kits and use them on their new cars...

he has told us in the last couple days that it's FORD and we will hear more details in the near future about it...

he said that in the near future you'll be able to go to your local ford dealer and get the kit retrofitted to your application and it will be backed by a full ford warranty also...


NOW...

all that being said it's hear say for me because i'm just repeating what he's telling us....the angle i have is that this particular guy would have a lot to lose at work if he was scamming us all about this thing go i'm inclined to believe him and what he says or it could hurt him at work...he's put them on pretty many cars around our area...he's shown me the gas slips fromt he gas station before and after and it's quite a difference...i havent been with him in the car or drove one that has the kit on but one guy at the office is getting his on this weekend and another next weekend and one guy had his installed last weekend so i'll talk to them all and post my findings...

the one guy is putting it on his VW Bettle

another is putting it ona chevvy trailblaizer

the other is a Ford Expidition


i'll post what i find but don't knock this thing...i was a skeptic for a while about it and i'm starting to believe it...

 

tag for later reading...

 

Well I'm an old man (I can't help that) and I might ad, NEW TO THIS BOARD.

I have heard of all these things that increase gas mileage for the last 40 some odd years. Actually by now if all worked and I believed that they did I should be getting about 900 mpg on my V-10 instead of 12.3 mpg. Remember the TRIPLE PRONG SPARK PLUGS 25% more mileage NOT!

Why don't we just do this:
Every one who gets 28 plus miles per-gallon on a gas engine Excursion or beleives it can be done put up 50.00 because you know for a fact you are getting 28 mpg.
The test will be run on level ground with a full tank of fuel and 28 miles will be clocked, the Excursion will then be filled up with fuel and if it holds over 1 gallon then we know who the loser is, if it holds less then we know who the winner is.

All non belivers including myself will put up 10.00 (its worth that for me to forget this thread) and when the pot reaches 1000.00 we will do the deed picking someone to stash the cash and the winners will split the winnings.

The non-beleviers will pick a umpire close by pay him 100.00
The believers will pick an umpire close by pay him 100.00
This will leave 800.00 to split MINUS ONE GALLON OF FUEL.

ANY TAKERS______________________________________
If not let this THREAD REST IN PEACE

 

mr Wilson & Co, The only problem I have with your solution is the range limitation. You must carry the fuel you plan to use (trailer, back of the truck... ect). I did hear about a Co-Op that was organizing to produce vegi fuel. Because of the tax and regulations on resale, the group of folks buy membership to the Co-Op and donate the vegi oils that are turned into bio fuel... they can only fill the equivelant of their vegi donation. Sounds like a good deal to me. I only wish I had a d-cell engine. If you ever listen to Phil Valentine, he produces his own fuel also. He has nothing but good to say about it.

 

Ok, I might not live on this forum like yourself, but I do take the time to read before making a post.... If you take the time to read back several posts(with 14000+ posts it looks like you have the time), I was challenged to take a user for a ride along, but "not someone with single digit posts".... Thus, 500 being a good round number for those who've been here long enough and having cridentials to post results that would be taken seriously.

What would you say if I offered a test ride to a user with 5, 10 or even 20 posts. Do you really think it would be creditable? Use your head.

Now, the part about taking my BS and going somewhere else..... I'll tell you what I know.

The Dealer who I bought my kit from lives in IL. The kits take about 6 weeks to get here, so I was on the phone every couple of days bleeding him for information on the status of my order (I paid in advance). After the kit arrived, I was on the phone with this guy for Tech Support (he also trains the Techs who install the kits). I called him the week of the 8th (sept) and he said he was in NJ at a meeting for Dutchman, there were over 1000 dealers there and a big announcment was being made. They were finding out which auto manufacture was wanting to pair up for R&D and rights to install the PICC and most likely the HAFC. When I heard it was Ford, I about went through the roof. He did send me a press release from Dutchman, but what kind of proof would that provide to the skeptics here? The Ford exect wrote a book, I don't know what book or what the exect's name was, but I do know that this Dealer did buy a copy and got it signed.... I know 2 other dealers who called me and said they had some big news, I told them I knew about Ford meeting with Dutchman (they didn't go to NJ themselfs, so they got the info around the same time as I)... So if 3 dealers, none of which knows the other in any way, came up with the same information about Ford's visit to Dutchman the week of the 8th?

I'm not just slinging the BS. I'm just putting out information. If you don't like it, you can also "go somewhere else".

The only hint Ford is putting out about this is an interview Mulally did on CNBC, where he breifly mentions "doing some interesting things with the engines we already have"

The Ford exect also told Dutchman, the Optimiser (small computer adapter that converts signels from O2, MAP, CTS and IAT to account for H2 add) can be replaced by simply flashing the computer's chip and programing it to run the sensors for max performance with the HAFC. I''m not sure how well that would work, the tuning is different for each vehical I'm told.

 

very good read here...
HAFC PICC Dutchman Enterprises - scams?

And funny enough, I live like 15 minutes from New Foundland NJ. I will try to check it out.

After all, my fuel is basically FREE