HTRf150 ;

Are you injecting hydrogen, or is your system more than that?

 

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NO NO NO...I did not get the idea of nominating Jessica Alba for President, (because I want a pair of "*****" in the White House that are 1) nice to look at......2) are not likely to cause any more damage to our country then the last few pair.....) from injecting hydrogen into my body - I do not eat, smoke, or inject any vile foreign substances into my precious bodily fluids. I do, however, have an EX, and there are people who say I am nuts for owning one...

 

I'm introducing HHO into the air box at 2L per min and I'm also modifying the O2, IAT, MAP and Coolant temp sensors. I'm changing the signals to lean out the fuel.

All the HHO gas is doing is making the remaining fuel burn more complete by exploding faster and hotter, giving a more complete burn of the smaller amount of fuel.

I guess some guys are thinking the vehical runs only on HHO gas.

 

no prob with pushing the meeting back a week.

 

Ah-HA!! That's where your gains are. And what could be to the detriment of your engine.

Please give us the scientific reasoning behind this. How does something with less energy cause "the remaining fuel burn more complete by exploding faster and hotter". We'll start there.

 

yep. and I can about believe the 25-28mpg... Heck a good SCT tuner could get very close to that by running just gasoline - and your car likely dangerously lean.

So in the end it's no big feat HTR- you are leaning the **** out of your mixture (higher combustion temps) so I hope with the extra money you save you are doing more oil changes.

Also, What happens if you need to floor it on the highway? what does your commanded A/F look like at WOT now? What are the A/F readings at cruise? 20:1 lol? Do you even tune with a real wideband?

 

High engine temps, low power, poor WOT responce.... These are things I thought I'd be dealing with and almost made me decide not to install the kit.

However: I haven't had those problems. Reason, The small amount of fuel is all the engine really needs to burn. You know how Jacob's ignition system delivers a hotter spark, the multi-prong plugs deliver more spark distribution...ect. That's kind of what the HHO does. Mixed with the air, it get distributed through the cylinder. HHO explodes much faster and hotter than fuel. Yes, HHO has more energy per unit than regular fuel. It's a chemistry lesson to explain why (don't have time right this second, but if you'd like, later I can give a class - I'm an engineer ME degree from MIT).

I've even found that the ignition is so much quicker, I have to retard the timing slighly.

Now, oil changes... I do them on a regular 3000mile/3months schedule for now. I noticed that the oil isn't getting dirty as fast and I'm having the oil tested for vescosity and particals. Since I'm not seeing a running temp differance, I'm suspecting the oil is fine. However, since I'm burning more in the engine and way less in the Cat, I noticed that the tail pipe looks like it's been power washed (inside). That was just something I ran into, I wasn't looking for that result. But it makes sence. The cat burns the excess fuel at a high temp, no flame using the platnum plate to crack the fuel and leaving a mess of burnt hydro-carbons. With less fuel, less burnt carbons in the exhaust.... Just my thought.

One last thing, yes you can use a sct tuner to do this. And that would do away with the parasite electronics (optomiser) that I use to change the settings. But that would bring your performance way down. If you added an additional high energy fuel at a slow rate, like a low level N2O drip.... you'd get simular results. But you can't produce N2O, you have to buy it.... and it's typically delivered at high pressure blasts for power boost. That's why N2O gets the engine so hot. I'm pushing 2L per min of HHO, not much compaired to the amount of air/fuel the engine is getting. So I can keep up with production and the engine temp is non the wiser.

 

So I get this email today... I chose the "Unsubscribe" option at the bottom of the email.

Dear XXXXX,

Hello from Dutchman Enterprises. We appreciate your having taken the time at some time in the past to request a quote for a PICC for one or more
vehicles(s). We were concerned about EPA issues with the technology originally, but we have re-designed around those considerations and we are no longer concerned about our special catalytic converter qualifying with the EPA. With gas prices rising as they have, other large interests have been looking for solutions to some of their problems and we have discovered a common interest in helping the American car manufacturers get back to doing what they do bestâ?¦make the kind of vehicles Americans want. The door has opened for us to better serve the American consumers. We have some extremely important news. Ford and Dutchman have been talking and Ford finally gave permission for Dutchman to tell the public what is going on. This last weekend, a Ford executive spent several hours speaking to the dealers involved in distributing the Dutchman Enterprises automotive technologies at their annual dealers convention.
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Dutchman Enterprises received a letter from the engineer that is heading up the Ford team to test the HAFC. In that letter from Corporate Headquarters in Dearborn Michigan, the leading engineer wrote, â?othe (HAFC) concept makes good sense.â?� There have been critics at large who have challenged the idea of water gas and called it a scam technology, but one has to consider the fact that no one knows more about automobiles and what makes sense relating to them than the engineers who design and build them. This same engineer, in the same letter, wrote, â?oWe are also excited about the potential of the PICC technology.â?
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I received it as well.

HAFC Contact is a website that has same message posted.

HAFC Engine Kit is a website with more stuff and a pic of the kit you can purchase. The website allows paypal pmts...or free shipping if paying by check.

 

Well, Ford..... Told you they were getting involved.

The thing is, if everyone is getting 100 plus on gas mileage, what will that mean for the rest? If I don't mind spending $8 per gal because I know that I'll get 3200 miles out of my 2 tanks, what about the guy with out the conversion? He'll still be at 440 miles with the same tanks.

The only thing I'm worried about, if Ford is interested in just applying the PICC to new cars, will this be a ploy to force us to buy new cars to get the kits? I wouldn't buy a new truck if I could convert my old one and I think Ford knows that.

I just hope that the PICC comes out in aftermarket form.

 

Wait a minute, are you claiming that a letter written by the snake oil merchant that is trying to sell these is now proof that Ford is getting involved?

How about a Ford press release, on Media.Ford.com: if you want anyone to believe you?

Not to mention, there are plenty of people working for Ford that post on this site, if something was up, and it was as big as this guy claims his technology is, we'd have known about it for a while now.

 

BULL!

MIT? Yeah...right.

Waiting on that class.

 

Has the test happened yet? Again, until the results are in I think the proponent of this technology should not be subjected to ridicule.

 

C'mon, the "results" have been in since the beginning of the universe. The pseudo-science involved violates the Law of Thermodynamics.

 

I think that the onus is on the person claiming something outlandish to prove it in order to stop the ridicule.