Fifth Wheel Weight
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Fifth Wheel Weight
I am getting many conflicting answers to my dilema. I have a 2007 F250 Diesel, crew cab 4X4 short bed.
I know the towing capacity and the payload capacity but can anyone tell me how much 5th wheel pin weight my truck is capable of? I assume payload from what others have told me is how much the bed of my truck will withstand, but since the 5th wheel hitch is mounted to the frame of the whole truck will it support more weight? The 5th wheel I am looking at has a pin weight of 3050 pounds.
I have gone to different dealers to get like answers but of course I get different replies from each. None of them seem to know. They all quote payload. I was told y others that payload is just what the sheet metal of the bed will hold before crushing.
Please if there is an expert out there can you assist me?
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I know the towing capacity and the payload capacity but can anyone tell me how much 5th wheel pin weight my truck is capable of? I assume payload from what others have told me is how much the bed of my truck will withstand, but since the 5th wheel hitch is mounted to the frame of the whole truck will it support more weight? The 5th wheel I am looking at has a pin weight of 3050 pounds.
I have gone to different dealers to get like answers but of course I get different replies from each. None of them seem to know. They all quote payload. I was told y others that payload is just what the sheet metal of the bed will hold before crushing.
Please if there is an expert out there can you assist me?
Regards
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The owners manual contains information regarding gross vehicle combination weight and gross trailer weight for both 5th wheel and conventional towing.
As far as pin weight, I would look at two things. Gross rear axle weight rating and the gross pin weight rating of your hitch. If you're not over those, I'd think you would be OK. I'd look at the maximum load rating of your tires also.
I've put 2 one ton pallets of wood pellets in the back of my '04 and had no trouble, so I wouldn't think 3050 pounds would be a problem.
As far as pin weight, I would look at two things. Gross rear axle weight rating and the gross pin weight rating of your hitch. If you're not over those, I'd think you would be OK. I'd look at the maximum load rating of your tires also.
I've put 2 one ton pallets of wood pellets in the back of my '04 and had no trouble, so I wouldn't think 3050 pounds would be a problem.
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Pin weight should not exceed your maximum hauling weight rating.
If you don't know your pin weight, it can be calculated as 15-25% of the trailer's weight (per the Ford manual.)
If you don't know your pin weight, it can be calculated as 15-25% of the trailer's weight (per the Ford manual.)
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I agree with dchamberlain. I don't think it has anything to do with whether the hitch is mounted to the frame or not. It's the Gross Axle Weight Rating and make sure the tires also have the proper load rating.
Sheetmetal crushing
Someone is feeding you some bull. My sheetmetal has bent under the weight of my motorcycle!
Sheetmetal crushing
Someone is feeding you some bull. My sheetmetal has bent under the weight of my motorcycle!
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I would look on www.RV.net there is tons of info on towing and pin weights on there. I have a 1 ton CC now and the pin weight of my 5th wheel is only @1500 lbs, and it is a 32' unit. You are getting ONE HEAVY 5th wheel!!! Good luck. My new truck will be an '08 CC V10 w/ auto LB, 4.30 ls 4x4...on order now...waiting...
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A toyota can eventually get a train moving, it's stopping it thats the bugger. GVCW not only has to do with what the vehicle will carry, but also be able to come to a reasonable stop with said total weight. When i am towing a trailer, i keep a small question in my mind, If i had to come to a complete panic stop, can I?
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You should read this thread:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/6...handle-it.html
The OP purchased an 07 Escalade Sportster 41 CKS 5th wheel travel trailer, pin weight (dry) 3100 pounds. His salesman swore the F-350 PSD CC LB would easily handle the weight. The OP quickly found out it wouldn't.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/6...handle-it.html
The OP purchased an 07 Escalade Sportster 41 CKS 5th wheel travel trailer, pin weight (dry) 3100 pounds. His salesman swore the F-350 PSD CC LB would easily handle the weight. The OP quickly found out it wouldn't.
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I'm guessing that your pin weight is coming from the sales brochure. Most weights given in the brochure are for stripped (no options) models. No propane, no water, maybe one battery.
For a more accurate pin weight (for a loaded trailer) take 17%-23% of the trailers GVWR.
I tow a heavy 34' (14k) fifthwheel with my '05 F350 SC. My pin weight is just over 2600#s. Rear axle weight while towing (loaded trailer, full fuel, the wife and I)is just over 6600#s. F350 RAWR of 7200. In theory I could handle just under 3200# pin weight.
Your F250 CC weighs more than my SC. I believe your tires are not rated as high as the 275/70/18E on the F350. Your loaded weight must include all passengers and gear normally hauled while traveling.
I am fairly confident that your going to be overloaded on your tires and probably your rear axle with the trailer your looking at.
Good luck
For a more accurate pin weight (for a loaded trailer) take 17%-23% of the trailers GVWR.
I tow a heavy 34' (14k) fifthwheel with my '05 F350 SC. My pin weight is just over 2600#s. Rear axle weight while towing (loaded trailer, full fuel, the wife and I)is just over 6600#s. F350 RAWR of 7200. In theory I could handle just under 3200# pin weight.
Your F250 CC weighs more than my SC. I believe your tires are not rated as high as the 275/70/18E on the F350. Your loaded weight must include all passengers and gear normally hauled while traveling.
I am fairly confident that your going to be overloaded on your tires and probably your rear axle with the trailer your looking at.
Good luck
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Rear GAWR on F250 is 6100lbs, you will be overweight on the rear axle and possibly the whole truck. If you want that kind of pin weight you need an F350 SRW minimum and probably better off with a DRW if you plan to tow alot.
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Originally Posted by blackhat620
Rear GAWR on F250 is 6100lbs, you will be overweight on the rear axle and possibly the whole truck. If you want that kind of pin weight you need an F350 SRW minimum and probably better off with a DRW if you plan to tow alot.
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To actually answer your question, you should weigh your truck, with the hitch, and loaded with people, fuel and gear just as it will be when you pull the camper. When you have that weight, subtract it from your trucks GVWR and that will be your allowable pin weight. You should also weigh the truck and camper together to make sure you don't exceed your GAWR, front and rear. A CAT Scale, as found at many truck stops, will give you weights for steering axle, drive axle,trailor axles and total (combined) which you compare to your trucks GCWR, all for a cost of about $15.
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These links should help - as should the following quote from the table I posted in the second link. This info is from the horse's mouth and you can find it for almost any year of Ford vehicle. Some good information here. The PDF file on the towing guide has good info.
Edit: OK, links weren't working properly. Let's try this again. Go to www.fleet.ford.com and click on "showroom" down near the bottom is the towing guides. Pick your vehicle year and then you get lots of info and you can also click on the PDF at the top and see all the info for towing. Go down to point #17 and you will get a table for towing weights that includes the quote above when you click on it.
According to the table for your specific truck, your max trailer weight is 15,500 lbs and you max king pin weight is 2,325lbs to 3,875lbs maximum. Deduct passenger weight and additional payload weight as shown above and make sure you do not exceed rear GAWR of GVWR. Sounds like you would be pushing the limits with a king pin weight you are talking about on a SRW truck.
Trailer king pin weight should be 15-25% of total loaded trailer weight. Make sure vehicle payload (reduced by option weight) will accommodate trailer king pin weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to the towing vehicle. Addition of trailer king pin weight, and weight of passengers and cargo cannot cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR. These ratings can be found on the vehicle Safety Compliance Certification Label.
Edit: OK, links weren't working properly. Let's try this again. Go to www.fleet.ford.com and click on "showroom" down near the bottom is the towing guides. Pick your vehicle year and then you get lots of info and you can also click on the PDF at the top and see all the info for towing. Go down to point #17 and you will get a table for towing weights that includes the quote above when you click on it.
According to the table for your specific truck, your max trailer weight is 15,500 lbs and you max king pin weight is 2,325lbs to 3,875lbs maximum. Deduct passenger weight and additional payload weight as shown above and make sure you do not exceed rear GAWR of GVWR. Sounds like you would be pushing the limits with a king pin weight you are talking about on a SRW truck.
Last edited by WildWildWest; Nov 3, 2007 at 11:23 AM.
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