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Hello 
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I own a 2000 F250 turbo diesel surer cab with 8 ft box. I am shopping for a 5th wheel. Does anyone know of a web site or this site that could tell me the payload cap. for my truck . It has no suspension upgrades.It is stock from factory except for heay duty shocks. I need it the "pin weight" of the 5th wheel we are interested in. I think is somewhere around 2800lbs? not sure
This is my first post
I own a 2000 F250 turbo diesel surer cab with 8 ft box. I am shopping for a 5th wheel. Does anyone know of a web site or this site that could tell me the payload cap. for my truck . It has no suspension upgrades.It is stock from factory except for heay duty shocks. I need it the "pin weight" of the 5th wheel we are interested in. I think is somewhere around 2800lbs? not sure
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Welcome to FTE! 
My understandings is taking the GVWR of 8800lbs and subtract the weight of your SD. The difference is the MAX legal payload of the SD. Keep in mind...that when you go get the weight, which should include you and any passengers and equipment expected too. We are limited to the 8800lbs total weight.
TIP: Find a weigh station...Many gravel yards have them.
Hope this helps...
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My understandings is taking the GVWR of 8800lbs and subtract the weight of your SD. The difference is the MAX legal payload of the SD. Keep in mind...that when you go get the weight, which should include you and any passengers and equipment expected too. We are limited to the 8800lbs total weight.
TIP: Find a weigh station...Many gravel yards have them.
Hope this helps...
biz
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Biz4two summed it up. You've got to weigh your truck to find out how much it weighs with full fuel and normal passenger and gear load. I'll warn you that you'll be shocked how much that weight is going to be. I wouldn't be surprised if you weigh over 7000 lbs, which only allows 1800 lbs pin weight if you care about Ford's limits. You can add all the aftermarket gizmos you want, but it won't change Ford's weight numbers.
With all that said, people regularly overload their vehicles. I bet many passenger cars heading to the airport with full passengers and luggage are overloaded per the manufacturers limits. You just have to decide what you're comfortable with. In many (most?) states, they don't care about GVWR if you are a non-commercial driver. Here in Washington state, I don't even have to register my truck for the weight of my truck and camper combination because I'm a non-commercial user.
You can also install wonderful aftermarket parts like some Firestone Ride-rite airbags that keep the truck level with large loads in the bed. Nothing will increase Ford's weight numbers, but you can make the truck handle weight better.
With all that said, people regularly overload their vehicles. I bet many passenger cars heading to the airport with full passengers and luggage are overloaded per the manufacturers limits. You just have to decide what you're comfortable with. In many (most?) states, they don't care about GVWR if you are a non-commercial driver. Here in Washington state, I don't even have to register my truck for the weight of my truck and camper combination because I'm a non-commercial user.
You can also install wonderful aftermarket parts like some Firestone Ride-rite airbags that keep the truck level with large loads in the bed. Nothing will increase Ford's weight numbers, but you can make the truck handle weight better.
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Here is a link to a forum that caters to campers and there is a forum there exclusively for 5ers. Tons of info. Use the search engine. The other post nailed it. The only real way is to weigh it. All others are opinions based on there experience, there truck, and there 5er.
http://www.trailerlife.com/forums/
Good luck
http://www.trailerlife.com/forums/
Good luck
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Originally Posted by wlihntr
ford rates the GCWR (gross combined weight rating) for a 5th wheel type trailer and your truck at 20,000 lbs. so as long as the two combined weigh less than that you are fine
Not exactly, you need to take into consideration Both the GVWR & GCWR. Tow vehicle capacities are limited by whichever one you reach first. As all other posters stated above weigh your vehicle with you and a full tank of fuel, subrtract this amount from the GVWR rating of the truck (in this case 8800lbs) to come up with the max remaining payload/pin weight capacity of the tow vehicle.
Travelnutz52's truck will weigh approximately 7000 lbs leaving a max remaining payload/pin weight capacity of 1800 lbs. With a pin weight of 1800 lbs we are talking a max GVWR (trailer weight) of 7200 - 9000 lbs. This would result in a GCW of truck and trailer approximately 14200 - 16000 lbs.
Yes this is below FMC GCWR of the truck but we have reached the FMC GVWR (F250) of 8800 lbs, thus reaching the maximum legally rated weight capacity of this tow vehicle.
Here is a link to the tech folder section on towing posted by Monsta www.clubfte.com/users/monsta/safeloading.html
Hope this helps
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Originally Posted by blackhat620
wlihntr,
Not exactly, you need to take into consideration Both the GVWR & GCWR. Tow vehicle capacities are limited by whichever one you reach first. As all other posters stated above weigh your vehicle with you and a full tank of fuel, subrtract this amount from the GVWR rating of the truck (in this case 8800lbs) to come up with the max remaining payload/pin weight capacity of the tow vehicle.
Travelnutz52's truck will weigh approximately 7000 lbs leaving a max remaining payload/pin weight capacity of 1800 lbs. With a pin weight of 1800 lbs we are talking a max GVWR (trailer weight) of 7200 - 9000 lbs. This would result in a GCW of truck and trailer approximately 14200 - 16000 lbs.
Yes this is below FMC GCWR of the truck but we have reached the FMC GVWR (F250) of 8800 lbs, thus reaching the maximum legally rated weight capacity of this tow vehicle.
Here is a link to the tech folder section on towing posted by Monsta www.clubfte.com/users/monsta/safeloading.html
Hope this helps
Not exactly, you need to take into consideration Both the GVWR & GCWR. Tow vehicle capacities are limited by whichever one you reach first. As all other posters stated above weigh your vehicle with you and a full tank of fuel, subrtract this amount from the GVWR rating of the truck (in this case 8800lbs) to come up with the max remaining payload/pin weight capacity of the tow vehicle.
Travelnutz52's truck will weigh approximately 7000 lbs leaving a max remaining payload/pin weight capacity of 1800 lbs. With a pin weight of 1800 lbs we are talking a max GVWR (trailer weight) of 7200 - 9000 lbs. This would result in a GCW of truck and trailer approximately 14200 - 16000 lbs.
Yes this is below FMC GCWR of the truck but we have reached the FMC GVWR (F250) of 8800 lbs, thus reaching the maximum legally rated weight capacity of this tow vehicle.
Here is a link to the tech folder section on towing posted by Monsta www.clubfte.com/users/monsta/safeloading.html
Hope this helps
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My interpretation: Theoretical weight of truck= 7000 lbs, loaded. Trailer (5er) pin weight of 1800 lbs, added to weight of truck= 8800 lbs, or GVW, of truck, loaded. Weight of trailer, measured at (trailer) axles, while hooked to the pin, can be no more than 12,000 lbs, to give a GCVW of 20,000 lbs. This would mean the trailer can actually weigh in at 13,800 lbs GVW.
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I think what blackhat620 is saying is that he can only place 1800 lbs in the bed of the truck (pin weight of the fiver). Using the typical measurement of 20%-25% of Gross Trailer Weight is on the pin, he is limited to a trailer weight of 7200-9000 lbs.
If he goes with a 16,000 lb trailer to reach his max GCWR of 23,000, again using the typical figures of 20%-25%, his pin weight should be 3200-4000 lbs in the bed of the truck, putting him at 10,200-11,000 lbs GVWR which is 1400-2200 lbs over the 8800 lb limit. The other factor to consider is the capacity of the rear axle and tires since most of that pin weight is sitting on top of (or 2 inches forward of) the rear axle.
If he goes with a 16,000 lb trailer to reach his max GCWR of 23,000, again using the typical figures of 20%-25%, his pin weight should be 3200-4000 lbs in the bed of the truck, putting him at 10,200-11,000 lbs GVWR which is 1400-2200 lbs over the 8800 lb limit. The other factor to consider is the capacity of the rear axle and tires since most of that pin weight is sitting on top of (or 2 inches forward of) the rear axle.
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