looks like a good gun, http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=59&category=Pistol and probably worth the money, but still about 200 bucks out of my price range unless I can find a good discount.

Edit:
do's anybody know anything about Stoeger's? http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_...ougarb_071807/

 

Au Contraire. Wilson combat and Kimber are doing quite a lot for military SWAT and Police depts across the country with their 1911 formats.
So is S&W with their M&P line. Our PD just switched to the .45 from the 9mm because the officers, including the two women, liked the feel better than the lighter weapons.

I agree this can be very good for the right person. Many days when I am dressed up with a dress shirt tucked in and nothing covering the back waistband where the .45 would normally sit I carry a .22 in an ankle holster. And I feel just as protected with that as anything, I just have different plans on how to use it if needed.

 

I know they make a cheap replica of the Benelli shotgun that is supposed to be quite good for the money. That's about all I know though. They seem to do it through lighter weight parts, ie lower strength alloys etc. but I don't know that for sure, just what I seem to remember hearing.

 

Jennings is basically a legal saturday night special, as is Davis.

 

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the .45 is not ever coming back, if anything the .40 is gaining popularity among special services for the weapon of choice. the 9mm is the standard nato round, cheap and not going anywhere..



Au Contraire. Wilson combat and Kimber are doing quite a lot for military SWAT and Police depts across the country with their 1911 formats.
So is S&W with their M&P line. Our PD just switched to the .45 from the 9mm because the officers, including the two women, liked the feel better than the lighter weapons.


I've been reading about the Taurus 1911B, sound's like a pretty good gun.


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the .22 is small, light weight and perfect for carrying on a day to day basis.


I agree this can be very good for the right person. Many days when I am dressed up with a dress shirt tucked in and nothing covering the back waistband where the .45 would normally sit I carry a .22 in an ankle holster. And I feel just as protected with that as anything, I just have different plans on how to use it if needed.


I allways thought that .22's were only efective up close and personal like.



So probaly not real durable than?

 

.45 for civilian maybe, but past rumors on the line, nothing of real in the military world, not that i would ever declare it out of the realm of possiblity, but i think due to cost with it and the emphasis on getting a replacement for the m16, i think small arms have been taken to the way side. plus i think with the low price of 9mm, the .45 would need a good reason to get any kind of funding for. but who knows what those boys are up to all the time.

"I allways thought that .22's were only efective up close and personal like."

thats why it is great for cc. like i said before, i situation that you would have to use a weapon for self defense will be within 5 fett of you, anything further is highly unlikely and pushing the limits of being called self defense. you can not look at a civilian carrying a weapon the same as a cop.

a cop needs to do more than just defend their selves, they need to pursue also and engage in possible shoot outs with possible obstacles like windows, doors, brush, long distances etc....

a civilian engaged in something is not going to be having a shoot out with a suspect, is not going to be pursuing, is not going to be doing a lot of things a cop would be doing. a guy is not going to be an immediate threat to your life from ten yards away or driving by in the car.

so a .22 is a close range gun and is highly effective in that tasks.

not trying to taught anyone out of buying what they want, heck, i don't even own a .22 (besides the broke one which is to big to carry). i have mine for sport shooting, home defense and to look at. for all around fun i think a .22 is sort of boring though cheaper on the wallet to shoot.

but for the one sole reason of self defense in public, i would say nothing beats a .22.

to add, all this talk of guns makes me want to get mine out and tinker around with them.

 

I doubt that the .45 will ever make it back to standard G.I. (It's not humane per U.N. decree) but we can drem cant we? I know that civilian use VS cop use is different. but short of a head shot, I don't see how a .22 can stop a P.O. thug

but I'm open to all ideas and suggestions, thats why I started this thread, To see who's use what, and done what.

 

36 gr (2.33 g) copper plated lead 1328 ft/s (405 m/s) .22 LR High Velocity

that will drop anyone at close range.

a .22 at less than 40 meters will drop anything just as good as anything else. your cc range is going to be less than 2 meters.

but just for pure fear factor, get a chromed .44 desert eagle or a 454 casul, the sight of those things do tend to instill fear in some people, though a bit akward to carry around.

i am not even a fan of the .22, but may have even convinced myself of getting one!

 

Think about this for a second. A .45 starts out with tremendous energy that falls off very quickly due to it's weight and slow muzzle velocity. It will drop to the ground and be harmless in less than a hundred yards.

A .22 is extremely fast and light and will fly for hundreds of yards before losing much energy. If you miss with the .22 you are endangering a much greater area and you are liable for what you hit.

So while I do carry a .22 sometimes I know that if possible I am going to have to survey a much larger background and do a lot more thinking before I get to pull the trigger. It will also take all 10 rounds put into the center mass to ensure a heart shot in order to stop. .45 would only take a shot or two into the same area and misses are forgiving whereas you just aren't allowed to miss with a .22

 

36 gr (2.33 g) copper plated lead 1328 ft/s (405 m/s) .22 LR High Velocity

that will drop anyone at close range.

a .22 at less than 40 meters will drop anything just as good as anything else. your cc range is going to be less than 2 meters.



not arguing that a .22 LR is a good round, I've got a ruger 10/22 that I've had for close to 15 years and it can still drive nails. W/ zero mods other than a good scope. I'm just having problems seeing it stop a 200-250lb guy dead in his tracks (I don't believe in shooting to warn or wound jmo)



a chromed .44 desert eagle or a 454 casul, give um a heart attack why don't you? j/k

 

that was kind of my thoughts and problems w/ the 9mm, not a problem if your a good shot, but even the best have bad day's.

 

Exactly. I shoot in competitions. There you get to see all of the targets, walk around the stages for sometimes hours before you shoot, plan everything out perfectly, practice it in your mind over and over. And sometimes you still miss. Even the guy that wins the match will have a few misses.

 

so what do you use for day to day carry? like I said I'm open to any and all suggestions.

I do understand his point about .22's though, small light weight, easily concealed, and deadly in the right hands.

 

Smith & Wesson is not the same company that entered into the voluntary pact with
the New York housing authority and the Clinton administration. After the pact was announced, so many civilian pistol purchasers boycotted the S&W brand (myself included) that it rendered the organization unprofitable, and the U.K. corporation that owned S&W, and had made the pact, sold the company to a U.S. producer of pistol
accessories. The sell out is not in effect and has not been for about 7 years now.
Please don't eliminate them from consideration.

 

1. Most days (95%) I carry the Kimber .45 in the back of the waistband.
2. 2nd favorite is the .22 in the ankle holster but it wiggles if you're walking much.
3. If I'm dressed up and moving a lot I either put the Steyr .40 in the elastic waist band or I'll put one of the Firestorms (.40 or .45) in the pocket of my leather jacket.
4. In the summer time I carry a Kel-Tec .380. Tiny gun, well made and warranted, and has a little belt clip that you can slip inside any waist band, even shorts and hide very well. The .380 is almost the oomph of a 9mm and I have 7 shots in a 3/4" wide x 3" long frame.