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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianFX4
THought I would chime in here with my experience.

I am no mechanic so I went ahead and took my truck to the local Ford Dealership, Omeara Ford in the Denver, CO area. They told me it was $189.00 to change the plugs with a $25.00 per plug extraction if they broke one. Anyway I had them changed yesterday since I have 65k on the truck and all went well.

They kept the truck from 8:00 in the morning until 5:00 in the evening. The tech told me they took so long because they wanted to make sure they did not break any which would have cost me more money.

To me it was worth the $189 to save me the headache and stress of learning how to do it myself. They also told me that since they have been following a certain method that they have not had one plug break on them. I am assuming that they are following the same method that alot of you have described.
That's very cool. A dealership that is actually trying to save the customer money by following a prescribed procedure. Brian your dealership is a keeper for sure. Your overall price was much less than I have ever heard or read on forums. Did they change out the COP boots too for that price or just the plugs?

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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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Brianfx4-that's some good work from the tech you used. I could have taken a road trip to that shop from here in Washington for that amount and probably still come out less than what I paid here to get mine all taken care of. I was one of the "unluckies" but my truck runs great again.

Does it seem like as more time goes by and more plugs are being changed that maybe they are getting done more appropriately since they are getting smarter to the issue. The trial and error is diminishing and the methods being used are more proven. Great for moving forward for all, bad for the earlier lab rats that drive too much like myself that got some big invoices for the extractions. I'm nearly done whining about this, ski season is about to begin.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 10:21 AM
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Hey guys,
Omeara Ford has always treated me pretty well and for a dealership they are not bad as far as prices go.

DMAC66 I'll have to call and ask about the COP boots because I have no idea and I'm not mechanically smart enough to have asked that question when I got the price qoute. AS soon as I can take second and make a phone call I'll find out for you.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 04:45 PM
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I asked the question about the plug changes in the 5.4, at my local Ford dealer, and they said, if they brake it, they fix it. But, I forgot to ask the price. If $400, like I seen in a previous post, covers a tuneup, I'll let them do it.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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Edge: Who is your dealer and let me know how he does I am close to u and about to havemine done but am looking for a good dealer as my local one is a POS?
 
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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Korum in Puyallup. It's a ways to go before I need to do anything maintenance wise. I also had another issue not related, and they appear to be very helpful there also. It's not resolved yet, not a big thing, but I will let you know how it, and anything else comes out.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 05:24 PM
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FX4-I'm in Olympia, I got mine done here and though they were very courteous and friendly, my bill was 3x the amount that Edge talks about.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 05:37 PM
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Kev: U must be at all star ford are u saying they want $1200 for a plug change??
 
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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DMAC66, my tech didnt use the deep creep only because he felt after the initial "snap" of the plug thre threads and entire plug were free and there was no resistance whatsoever. He and I have known each other for many years and I also know that if he wasnt confident in the plugs coming out freely that he would've used it and if they had broke, he would've been doing what it took to remedy the problem for me. I know I am very lucky to be in a position like this as most are not, but I also know that as a service advisor, I take very good care of him in the shop and for the most part am responsible for his paycheck. So I guess the old saying, "you scratch my back.................." On a lighter note, he is also the same tech that did my rear diff service right after I bought the truck because the clutch packs were "grabbing" and painted a silver hand with one particular finger pointing up on the diff cover. I didnt realize it until i was well on my way out of town for a much needed mini-vacation. Everyone in the shop had a good laugh over it on Monday when i returned, including myself. (the painted hand is still there, lol)
 
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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Stratus: In your shop what has been your experience in changing these plugs are quite a few breaking or do your techs have it down so they get them all out?? I am getting close to 40K and considering having mine done early.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 04:54 AM
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I also live in the south sound area (Yelm) so I am real interested in finding a good dealer to remove the plugs. I've used All Star for some minor stuff; however, I'm trying to find a good shop to get work done at. I moved to the area a little over a year ago. I have almost 60k on the truck and I'm on the edge of having the plugs replaced or waiting until 100k.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 05:14 PM
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Nomad: I have used Van Cleve ford in MOrton very friendly and nice to deal with family owned for 3 generations I think very honest am going to have them do my plugs soon they quoted me $300 a few month back have not checked lately and have not discussed what happens if they break any but their service manager told me they have not had any issues changing them????
 
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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So, I thought I better chime in on this one. When I originally took my truck in to get the plugs changed. I made a decision to take it to a shop in Maple Valley. They have worked on my truck (exhaust, oil, shocks, other stuff) I asked if they have had any problems or experience with the plugs on the 04-0now F150's. I was told that yes and they haven't had any problems with them. I was told the price to remove the plugs was going to be around $300. NO talk about what ifs or additional charges if the plugs stick or break off. Incidentally, they broke 6. They were absolutely not able to remove them and I needed to have the head removed to get them. I decided to tow the truck away from the shop back to Olympia for another $300.00 I had it dropped at the Ford dealership and they were able to extract the 6 broken plugs and 2 just came out fine. It took them a full night of soaking in Kroil and the entire following day to complete it. It cost me $1100 minus a 10% good customer discount. whoo hooo.... So be VERY careful at the non Ford shop. Just my piece of info and my unfortunate event.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 04 FX4 Lineman
Stratus: In your shop what has been your experience in changing these plugs are quite a few breaking or do your techs have it down so they get them all out?? I am getting close to 40K and considering having mine done early.
Unfortunately Lineman, I work at a Saturn Saab dealer and this is the first 5.4 we have worked on, and only because its my truck. The tech that worked on it did read the bulletin, but if you have ever changed a spark plug, you can tell how much resistance is too much. So he just "felt" his way through it and no issues. Tah-Dah! If my truck is any indication of how these plugs are at 40k (kilometers) i dont think you will have an issue, but one thing my shop foreman reminded me of sticks out in my mind.....Canada seems to have better fuel than in the U.S. and it has been tested and proven....and he is also under the strong belief that is the additives in the fuel that can cause more or less carbonization of the engine, along with driving habits of course. So maybe we should all be polling on how many instances of plugs breaking are happening north and south of the border and what the driving habits of the worst case scenarios....for example Kevin, since yours seems to be the worst horror story here, what are your driving habits, short trips, no towing etc etc.....just my two cents.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 09:36 PM
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Thumbs down

Speaking of fuel, in the winter, don't the gas stations use more of an ethanol blend? Which I hear gives lower gas mileage. What about carbon deposits with ethanol?
I hear that they use ethanol in the winter for emissions. Summer, it's ok?
Have I given you my thoughts about politicians.
 
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