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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 10:27 PM
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the gen3 is swamps isnt it?? how much does that run?
 
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FN74
The downside, if you wnat to call it that, is you HAVE to do a custom fuel system. The stock fuel bowl will no longer fit.
I'd call that a major drawback. That means you have to have a heated fuel filter somewhere else.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim
I'd call that a major drawback. That means you have to have a heated fuel filter somewhere else.
Yes and no. My truck never came with a fuel bowl heater to begine with. And it is only a problem if you are in severe cold weather, and without any diesel additive. And in my case, I have custom made 12vdc heater jackets made for our WVO filters that could easily be used on the Diesel side as well. But I digress....
 
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Badluck
the gen3 is swamps isnt it?? how much does that run?
Yes, the Gen3 is sold by Swamps, and goes for about $1,500.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 11:10 PM
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You don't necessarily need a fuel heater. I've run 2 winters now without a fuel bowl or any type of heating element for my fuel. Winter temps here in Missouri get down to well below freezing. We had several nights last winter below 0, and I have never had a problem with fuel gelling at all. I always use a winter additive as well. Not once in the last two years has the truck refused or been difficult to start.

Also, if you have an externally regulated fuel system, once the truck is running, all the fuel that's going through the heads is getting warmed before it returns to the tank, where it mixes and warms the rest of the fuel.

I sometimes wonder about the stock fuel heater though, and how much good it actually does since you've still got cold fuel in the lines. It may heat the fuel in the bowl, but if the lines are gelled, you've still got a problem. I would think the lines would be more prone to gelling than the bowl, given their smaller size and smaller quantity of fuel.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jtharvey
I sometimes wonder about the stock fuel heater though, and how much good it actually does since you've still got cold fuel in the lines. It may heat the fuel in the bowl, but if the lines are gelled, you've still got a problem. I would think the lines would be more prone to gelling than the bowl, given their smaller size and smaller quantity of fuel.
I totally concurr here. What a waste. By the time any heated fuel from the bowl could heat the fuel in the tank enough to affect the fuel in the lines the truck will have started or not. BTW, I am so looking forward to the winter blend, not!
 
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 11:46 PM
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hmm so to run the swamp kit you have to run a bigger fuel system as well??
 
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Badluck
hmm so to run the swamp kit you have to run a bigger fuel system as well??
Don't think so, just means you have to eliminate the stock filter bowl. The biggest fuel supply problem our rigs exhibit are from air intake prior to the pump and a failing fuel pump. Fix those and even stockers run a lot better.
 
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Old Sep 23, 2007 | 11:58 PM
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hmm ic ic, well the only thing that was turning me away from swamps was I thought you had to change that stuff... but eventually all that stuff will change eventually with the fass set up and the big line kit and reg return
 
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Old Sep 24, 2007 | 12:16 AM
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All I can say here is that the stock system will support some serious HP. Remove the stock restrictors and the sky is the limit so to speak, but the stock injection system cannot take advantage of it until something else happens. Bigger oil or better injectors. Take your pick. I lean towards big oil unless my injectors are getting weak. Big oil will make my stockers that much better, while new injectors may have little results if my HPOP is marginal.
 
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Old Sep 24, 2007 | 12:19 AM
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yea thats why im looking so hard for the best Big oil set up im so torn between the stealth and the term I just cant decide
 
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