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From: Hartford, WI
Originally Posted by RedDragon
I run B99 whenever possible. It is currently a few cents more than dino, but not too long ago it was a few cents less. As for performance, MPG for me is about .8 MPG less than dino, but engine runs great on Bio so the MPG is not a big enough difference for me to switch back.
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From: Texas
Originally Posted by aklim
Doesn't that tell you that lubricity is not an issue? The sound of the engine comes from the ignition and not the lubricity.
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Originally Posted by F350-6
I guess it does. I never put that much thought into it. With everything I've read about reduced lubricity with LSD & now ULSD.
I grew up in a time when you could just about tune an engine by sound, so a smoother running engine goes a long way for me.
I grew up in a time when you could just about tune an engine by sound, so a smoother running engine goes a long way for me.
Perhaps so. However, when you change the amount of fuel or timing, aren't you also changing the combustion charistics? IOW, if you advance the timing, what are you doing? Changing when the flame starts with respect to the piston position. What happens if you advance the timing too much? You get a different sound too.
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Originally Posted by aklim
ULSD has lower lubricity. However, that is if you just take ULSD out of the refinery. At the terminal level, they will add the lubricity agents to make it meet the same ATSM standard of LSD.
By the way, what does "IOW" stand for?
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Originally Posted by F350-6
I thought I read that the EPA set the lubricity standard for lubricity lower than the injector manufacturer's wanted, which is why I've been concerned. Of course I also have the leftover concern from the switch to LSD.
By the way, what does "IOW" stand for?
By the way, what does "IOW" stand for?
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From: Hartford, WI
Originally Posted by F350-6
I thought I read that the EPA set the lubricity standard for lubricity lower than the injector manufacturer's wanted, which is why I've been concerned. Of course I also have the leftover concern from the switch to LSD.
By the way, what does "IOW" stand for?
By the way, what does "IOW" stand for?
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From: Spokane, WA
Originally Posted by aklim
So, other than the sound, it loses power and mileage. Not sure how that is "better" in my book. ....
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Originally Posted by RedDragon
I have not noticed a power loss and mileage loss is little and acceptable for me.
I prefer the cleaner burning bio which is more eco friendly and supports farmers rather than oil sheiks.
I prefer the cleaner burning bio which is more eco friendly and supports farmers rather than oil sheiks.
Most of our oil doesn't come from sheiks. IIRC, only 20% would. In any case, almost anything we touch is going to be "sheik oil tainted"
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From: Hartford, WI
Originally Posted by elvia
I don't know the power loss with bio, but with wvo (waste vegetable oil) there is about a 3 to 5% loss.
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Originally Posted by aklim
.... Most of our oil doesn't come from sheiks. IIRC, only 20% would. In any case, almost anything we touch is going to be "sheik oil tainted"
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Originally Posted by RedDragon
That's true! I hate the money grubbing oil companies. I just wish it was possible/feasible for us all to grow and make our own fuel and take back some of that money lining their pockets.
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FWIW, I put some B99.9 (yes, that's what they called it!!) in my tank a couple weeks ago, and I noticed an instant quieting down of the injectors. I had D2 in there with 12oz. of DK, but as soon as the BD hit, it got quieter. I happened to have another 7.3 F250 owner in the cab and I poked my head in while it was pumping and said "Did you hear that??" He said, "It got quieter, didn't it?" I said "I was pretty sure I hear a difference, but I was wondering if you heard it..."
Quieter injectors means less wear. Less wear means they last longer. So to answer you question about it affecting your pocket book, I'd say a set of injectors is worth a few pennies more per gallon -- hopefully less like it used to be for B100 (99.9).
Quieter injectors means less wear. Less wear means they last longer. So to answer you question about it affecting your pocket book, I'd say a set of injectors is worth a few pennies more per gallon -- hopefully less like it used to be for B100 (99.9).
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Originally Posted by Izzy351
FWIW, I put some B99.9 (yes, that's what they called it!!) in my tank a couple weeks ago, and I noticed an instant quieting down of the injectors. I had D2 in there with 12oz. of DK, but as soon as the BD hit, it got quieter. I happened to have another 7.3 F250 owner in the cab and I poked my head in while it was pumping and said "Did you hear that??" He said, "It got quieter, didn't it?" I said "I was pretty sure I hear a difference, but I was wondering if you heard it..."
Quieter injectors means less wear. Less wear means they last longer. So to answer you question about it affecting your pocket book, I'd say a set of injectors is worth a few pennies more per gallon -- hopefully less like it used to be for B100 (99.9).
Quieter injectors means less wear. Less wear means they last longer. So to answer you question about it affecting your pocket book, I'd say a set of injectors is worth a few pennies more per gallon -- hopefully less like it used to be for B100 (99.9).
How much longer will it last? IOW, without the quietening down, what is the lifespan vs quietening it down? If the difference is between 350K and 300K, it might not make a difference.
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FYI: Hose that you install with a 30R7 rating may not be bio compatible. I had a pin hole leak on a piece of Non-Ford 30R7 hose that I had put on my fuel system. I'm not sure if 30R9 will work, but I know teflon will. I am going to install braided stainless over teflon for my entire system within the next few weeks.
My mileage seems the same on B99. I get 13.4 going to work and back, and 13.7 towing the dune buggy and trailer up the grade to Reno. Speed seems to be the big factor.
My power seems the same on B99.
My mileage seems the same on B99. I get 13.4 going to work and back, and 13.7 towing the dune buggy and trailer up the grade to Reno. Speed seems to be the big factor.
My power seems the same on B99.