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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 05:34 PM
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I run 100% Biodiesel here in Houston (houstonbiodiesel.com) and have for a couple years. It is cheaper here ($2.59), better for the environment and better (more lubricity) for your engine. It is also an American Made product from the farmers field to your local distributor. The technology exists easily today to produce enough of this clean, pure fuel to power every vehicle in the country. Unfortunately the Multinational Corporations are quite powerful within the government and are understandably not very supportive of the use of Biofuels here. That is why its so hard to find. In Europe, where the population and government embrace the use of Bio, it is the preferred fuel and the majority of the millions of barrels produced here in Houston each year are exported there to make more money off it.
2.59!!!! I wish I could get it in the northeast for that price. I paid 3.55 for B20 in Delaware 2 weeks ago.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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Talking Biodiesel Spread sheet

-Sorry for the delay folks, I had to change file types so maybe this will go through this time.

BIO/DIESEL RATIO CHART

Directions: I keep a copy in my console to keep it handy.

Use the following spreadsheet for Diesel & Bio-diesel blends. The spreadsheet’s upper section ratio’s is for the “FORD” fuel tank , the gravity fill
Auxiliary tank aka [ spare 50 gal reserve tank] is represented in the lower half of the spreadsheet.

Our local supply here in South Louisiana of Biodiesel is limited at times , with this I mind I made this chart to assist in making appropriate blends with available quantity’s .
I am currently running a 50/50 blend as of 09/05/07. I paid $2.30 per gallon
of B100 at the bulk plant.

BLEND BIO-DIESEL DINO
10 /90 BLEND 2.7 GAL. 24.3 GAL. = 27 GALLONS-> USG
20/80 BLEND 5.4 GAL. 21.6 GAL. = 27 GALLONS-> USG
30/70 BLEND 8.1 GAL. 18.9 GAL. = 27 GALLONS-> USG
40/60 BLEND 10.8 GAL. 16.2 GAL. = 27 GALLONS->USG
50/50 BLEND 13.5 GAL. 13.5 GAL. = 27 GALLONS->USG

SPARE 50 GALLON RESERVE TANK
10/90 BLEND 5.0 GALLONS 45.0 GAL. = 50-GALLON->AUX
20/80 BLEND 10.0 GALLONS 40.0 GAL. = 50 GALLON->AUX
30/70 BLEND 15.0 GALLONS 35.0 GAL. = 50 GALLON->AUX
40/60 BLEND 20.0 GALLONS 30.0 GAL. = 50-GALLON->AUX
50/50 BLEND 25.0 GALLONS 25.0 GAL. = 50-GALLON->AUX

I am disapointed that the nice spreadsheet I prepared did not transfer to this
site very well. I would be more that happy to e-mail you a copy,just provide me your address and I will zip it over to you when you request it.
 

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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 06:46 PM
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Thanks for info, pretty knowledgeable stuff there ill just write it down in my little tan book i keep with notes since i dont carry my Computer around. once agian thanks for the info.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 06:55 PM
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Your Welcome Sir, sorry for the delay. Have a great week.
Clark
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 08:22 PM
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All we get in eastern North Carolina is some B5, at the same price (or more expensive) than dino diesel. Until the price gets significantly cheaper, I'm not going to bother. Still too many questions about stability of the product on storage. I've heard you'll get less mileage and the performance is somewhat less, but probably not very noticeable as far as the performance. I think in the central part of the state you can get some B20, but I haven't seen a higher blend anywhere else in NC.
Originally Posted by littledre1
2.59!!!! I wish I could get it in the northeast for that price. I paid 3.55 for B20 in Delaware 2 weeks ago.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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Are we able to run it because it's a blend with dino or does that matter? Do the people that make their own have to modify anything?
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gradymeister
Are we able to run it because it's a blend with dino or does that matter? Do the people that make their own have to modify anything?
There's a different section of this forum that will give you much better answers on this. You can run 100% biodiesel without any issues. The concerns are it's detergent effect which may plug filters, and on older trucks the rubber hoses/seals which do not react well with bio.

Biodiesel is a broad term. If you get into WVO or SVO you may need to look at installing pre-heaters and so forth.

You won't find any B100 at commercial pumps right now. The max you will see is B99 due to tax incentives. I've run everything from B5 - B99 in my 02.

Semper Fi.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by elvia
The reason for it being smoother is the better lubricity of the oil. vegetable oil has much better lubricating qualities than diesel. Just be sure to check and change your fuel filter(s) the first couple of tanks. Reason being, is that bio and wvo acts as a solvent, or cleaner. it dissolves sludge in the tank and in the fuel lines. After it cleans them out your filters will last longer.
I thought it was because of the ignition charisterics that changed? What has lubrication got to do with anything?
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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I thought it was because of the ignition charisterics that changed? What has lubrication got to do with anything?
I have no idea what the cause is, but I have tried almost every lubricity additive on the market and none of them make the difference B20 & up does.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by F350-6
I have no idea what the cause is, but I have tried almost every lubricity additive on the market and none of them make the difference B20 & up does.
did you try a quart of TCW3 two-stroke oil with each 30 gallons?
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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My understanding is that you can run any biodiesel (B5 up to B100) in the PSDs without any modifications to the engine. WVO (waste veggie oil) is a different matter; this cannot be run straight without some engine mods, but it's also not considered biodiesel. WVO and biodiesel are different products. Warning: the fuel injection manufacturers are not warranting against fuel system failures with blends greater than 5% (B5) (Some may recently have gone up to B20, but a recent Diesel Power magazine article (April 2007) indicated B5 is the limit of warrantability for most manufacturers).
I think people who make their own are making B100.

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Are we able to run it because it's a blend with dino or does that matter? Do the people that make their own have to modify anything?
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JLDickmon
did you try a quart of TCW3 two-stroke oil with each 30 gallons?
Nope. I said "almost" Does the 2 cycle oil smooth the motor out too? Is the TCW3 a brand or spec name?
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by F350-6
I have no idea what the cause is, but I have tried almost every lubricity additive on the market and none of them make the difference B20 & up does.
Not the lubricity additives. If it changes the way the flame propergates or ignites, you might change the smoothness of the engine. In my book, unless the engine is unusually harsh or something like that, a little smoother or not but does not translate into power or fuel economy is not worth much. IOW, I want tangible results. Higher mpg or power. Smoothness and all that, unless the engine is very harsh, is not worth much to my pocketbook.

What you are saying is that you have tried all kinds of lubricity additives without the same results as B20. Doesn't that tell you that lubricity is not an issue? The sound of the engine comes from the ignition and not the lubricity.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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I run B99 whenever possible. It is currently a few cents more than dino, but not too long ago it was a few cents less. As for performance, MPG for me is about .8 MPG less than dino, but engine runs great on Bio so the MPG is not a big enough difference for me to switch back. As long as the price is not totally outrageous, I'd rather buy a product made in good ol' USA.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2007 | 09:29 PM
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Thanks guys, that's good stuff to know. I see the bio pump at the shell station when I'm there and the only thing keeping me from trying it is my own ignorance.


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