View Poll Results: which engine will be in your next F150?
V6
6
0.93%
low/mid v8 - prolly a 4.6/5.4 mod motor
58
8.95%
6.2 boss - new gas v8
173
26.70%
4.4 diesel - let the halftons have torque!
411
63.43%
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so which engine would you choose?
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Originally Posted by excaliber551
So Ford is not going to offer a new engine on the 09's other than a slightly redesigned 5.4?
They are still going to be well behind Chevy and Toyota if that's the case. I drove all three trucks in the last week and the Ford was lacking in power big time.
At least they are revamping the interior. Those seats were as uncomfortable as they could ever be.
At least they are revamping the interior. Those seats were as uncomfortable as they could ever be.
Check out how the 2007 Expeditions (5.4 3V/6R auto) compare to the to the lighter 5.3 Tahoes and Suburbans. Half a second quicker in the 1/4 mile, almost 4 mpg better out in the real world, all while in a vehicle 400 lbs. heavier.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_pricing.html
So even if the 2009 F150 launches with an imroved 5.4 mated to the 6-speed auto power, performance and fuel economy will improve markedly over the current 5.4 F150s.
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Originally Posted by glasseater
high 30s... if you can get low 20s with a 3/4 or 1 ton i would expect a smaller diesel in a lighter truck with better aerodynamics to get at least 30
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Originally Posted by Big Bad
The Boss will be available about 6 months after launch.
The 5.4s biggest problems are drive-by-wire tuning and the 4R75 auto. The '09 will get a bump in power and the 6-speed auto.
Check out how the 2007 Expeditions (5.4 3V/6R auto) compare to the to the lighter 5.3 Tahoes and Suburbans. Half a second quicker in the 1/4 mile, almost 4 mpg better out in the real world, all while in a vehicle 400 lbs. heavier.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0611_fullsize_suv_comparison/specs_pricing.html
So even if the 2009 F150 launches with an imroved 5.4 mated to the 6-speed auto power, performance and fuel economy will improve markedly over the current 5.4 F150s.
The 5.4s biggest problems are drive-by-wire tuning and the 4R75 auto. The '09 will get a bump in power and the 6-speed auto.
Check out how the 2007 Expeditions (5.4 3V/6R auto) compare to the to the lighter 5.3 Tahoes and Suburbans. Half a second quicker in the 1/4 mile, almost 4 mpg better out in the real world, all while in a vehicle 400 lbs. heavier.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0611_fullsize_suv_comparison/specs_pricing.html
So even if the 2009 F150 launches with an imroved 5.4 mated to the 6-speed auto power, performance and fuel economy will improve markedly over the current 5.4 F150s.
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From: hillsborough nj
Originally Posted by 04 FX4 Lineman
High 30's you are having a dream and where I am dielsel is at $3.70 a gal. and going up weekly reg. UL $3.25 from strictly a money stand point diesel will not be competetive.
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Originally Posted by glasseater
obviously you have no experience with a diesel... if a cummins in a 3/4 and 1 ton body can get mid 20s stock (mid-high 20s with rim covers and things like that) then why can't a much lighter f150 get high 30s with a smaller diesel?? it's common sense that it will get amazing fuel milage... and i don't care about the emmissions stuff since the VW TDIs are still getting high 50s
Plus these @#$%@#$% oil companies are screwing diesel owners at .30 more / gal plus the diesel option (over $5,000 in a Ford, Chevy or Dodge) I dont see much savings like you used to get.
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From: hillsborough nj
Originally Posted by Econoline 150
I kinda wonder on this, Ive seen the test results on the Jeep Liberty Diesel and with a 2.8 diesel it did roughly 31 mpg , and the Jeep Commander didnt do so hot at 22 mpg with a 3.2 V6 diesel. Both of those are smaller then a F150.
Plus these @#$%@#$% oil companies are screwing diesel owners at .30 more / gal plus the diesel option (over $5,000 in a Ford, Chevy or Dodge) I dont see much savings like you used to get.
Plus these @#$%@#$% oil companies are screwing diesel owners at .30 more / gal plus the diesel option (over $5,000 in a Ford, Chevy or Dodge) I dont see much savings like you used to get.
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From: Campbell River, B.C.
Call me crazy, but how would it be if we were to build a truck of our own? Theres enough aftermarket support and custom machine shops to put ford, GM, chrysler, the EPA, and big oil all to shame. If trucks are still having a hard time getting 20 MPG consistently (how old is the ford motor company by now???), maybe its time to demand better.
As I said, call me crazy.....
As I said, call me crazy.....
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From: hillsborough nj
Originally Posted by 04 FX4 Lineman
Your idea would be great except for the good ole EPA they have wrecked diesels as we know them, in my part of the country the predictions are $5.00 a gal diesel by summer 08, we are at $3.75 as I speak.
i think you all see where i'm going with this
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From: Campbell River, B.C.
Originally Posted by glasseater
think about this... kit-cars don't have to worry about EPA regulations right?? i think you all see where i'm going with this
i think you all see where i'm going with this
.Diesels are still the superior engine IMVHO, and just becuase the EPA is on a witch hunt against them and the fuel cost is going up doesn't mean they can't be a cost effective design. Diesels are by nature more fuel efficient, and produce less incomplete burn than gassers, its taken a lot of effort to cast doubt on this reputation, but big business is trying.
If we were to build our own, then other changes can be made as well, how about a bumper thats 1/4" thick? as in, a real bumper.
and lets bring back the idea of a tough stick shift tranny for those who want it.
there are a lot of other options as well, once you realize that your no longer limited by some one's brain dead marketing department.
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Originally Posted by glasseater
i do see what you mean.. i guess i'm still stuck in the good ol' 7.3 days... all i had was a cat... and now that's gone
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From: hillsborough nj
Originally Posted by Econoline 150
7.3 was a darn fine motor; they did well in medium duty IHs as the T444.
pumping more hp and torque at the wheels than a 6.4 is at the crank...
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From: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted by Big Bad
The Boss will be available about 6 months after launch.
The 5.4s biggest problems are drive-by-wire tuning and the 4R75 auto. The '09 will get a bump in power and the 6-speed auto.
Check out how the 2007 Expeditions (5.4 3V/6R auto) compare to the to the lighter 5.3 Tahoes and Suburbans. Half a second quicker in the 1/4 mile, almost 4 mpg better out in the real world, all while in a vehicle 400 lbs. heavier.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0611_fullsize_suv_comparison/specs_pricing.html
So even if the 2009 F150 launches with an imroved 5.4 mated to the 6-speed auto power, performance and fuel economy will improve markedly over the current 5.4 F150s.
The 5.4s biggest problems are drive-by-wire tuning and the 4R75 auto. The '09 will get a bump in power and the 6-speed auto.
Check out how the 2007 Expeditions (5.4 3V/6R auto) compare to the to the lighter 5.3 Tahoes and Suburbans. Half a second quicker in the 1/4 mile, almost 4 mpg better out in the real world, all while in a vehicle 400 lbs. heavier.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suv/112_0611_fullsize_suv_comparison/specs_pricing.html
So even if the 2009 F150 launches with an imroved 5.4 mated to the 6-speed auto power, performance and fuel economy will improve markedly over the current 5.4 F150s.
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From: North Pole Alaska
YEA, but just think on the MODS that will follow for the 4.4 .....diesel Dual exhaust, programers, cold air intake, inter-coolers........I think I'm getting a little excited.
Originally Posted by austint513
Had a 2000 F350 CC SRW 7.3 with a Diablo chip that had 62,000 miles and was well pleased (sold it to my son-in-law). Got an '07 SCrew with 5.4, 3.73 axle and have been very disappointed with both performance and mileage. And yes I know the 3.73 is not great for mileage but my old F350 would run circles around this 5.4.
That being said I would prefer the 6.2 Boss (or whatever it will be called) if it does have some performance. FMC will probably have an engine management system that will allow it to get decent mileage when cruising due to federal requirements. Would probably consider the 4.4 diesel if the 6.2 doesn't have the performance. May just put a Rousecharger on the one I have. I just like to make sure that I can get around vehicles when needed on the two lane roads in this area. Even at 60 you still have a need for performance from time to time.
That being said I would prefer the 6.2 Boss (or whatever it will be called) if it does have some performance. FMC will probably have an engine management system that will allow it to get decent mileage when cruising due to federal requirements. Would probably consider the 4.4 diesel if the 6.2 doesn't have the performance. May just put a Rousecharger on the one I have. I just like to make sure that I can get around vehicles when needed on the two lane roads in this area. Even at 60 you still have a need for performance from time to time.