Average Mileage on a 302?
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My 1988 f150 has 116000 miles on it and i drive every day it has a drip from the back side of the motor other than that man this truck moves and it has never had any engine work done i wonder if i should ever need too what do you think?
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I sold my 90 f150 with 230000 miles. I bought it with 72000 on it. Changed the oil every 3000 miles and the truck was running just fine when I sold it and upgraded to the 95. Of course, the 90 truck had that bothersome rear main drip, but a quart between changes would keep her topped up. Treat the engine like it has a lot of miles and it will treat you right.
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Originally Posted by lostin90s
In 92 -93 ish they changed the 302 firing order to the 351 order and just the 351 cam (more or less) So it camn becalled a windsor I guess.
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Each Ford engine is classified as to what "family" it belongs to. Windsors were made at the Windsor plant in Ontario. The first Windsor engine was 221ci. It grew into the 260, 289, 302, and 351. So all of those engines would be called a Windsor.
This should clear things up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Windsor_engine
This should clear things up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Windsor_engine
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Originally Posted by Lizardking
Each Ford engine is classified as to what "family" it belongs to. Windsors were made at the Windsor plant in Ontario. The first Windsor engine was 221ci. It grew into the 260, 289, 302, and 351. So all of those engines would be called a Windsor.
This should clear things up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Windsor_engine
This should clear things up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Windsor_engine
B) the numbers such as 221, 302, and 351 refer to the displacement of the engine cubic inches hence "cid" so the engines didn't "grow" into different engines to my knowledge considering the 302 and the 351 were manufactured at the same time and offered in many different trucks and cars for that matter. "Windsor" and "Cleveland" reffer to WHERE the engine was made, although rare, i do believe there is a Cleveland 302, which i think was in the late model cougar if im not mistaken
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Yes, the engines did grow into larger displacements.
First was the 221ci, 90 degree V8.
The 260ci, 90 degree V8 was based on that 221ci design, as was the 289, 302, and 351. Yes, the 302 and 351 were produced concurently.
The 221, 260, 289, and 302 blocks are difficult to visually distingush apart. The blocks basiclly look the same. The 351 has a taller deck height because of the longer stroke.
Many parts are interchangable between the engines like heads and intakes. There are some oddities. Later heads with larger valves will not fit on 221s because the 221s bore is to small. 351 intakes only fit 351s because the deck height is taller, so the intake is wider. Serpertine engines and roller cam engines also use some specific parts that will not interchange on earlier engines.
The 302 Cleveland was an Aussie only engine. I have never seen one in the U.S.
Anyway, the question was about the windsor engine designation. I posted the link because it was accurate as far as describing the windsor engine plant and the various engines that were produced there.
Nextras, why the attitude?
First was the 221ci, 90 degree V8.
The 260ci, 90 degree V8 was based on that 221ci design, as was the 289, 302, and 351. Yes, the 302 and 351 were produced concurently.
The 221, 260, 289, and 302 blocks are difficult to visually distingush apart. The blocks basiclly look the same. The 351 has a taller deck height because of the longer stroke.
Many parts are interchangable between the engines like heads and intakes. There are some oddities. Later heads with larger valves will not fit on 221s because the 221s bore is to small. 351 intakes only fit 351s because the deck height is taller, so the intake is wider. Serpertine engines and roller cam engines also use some specific parts that will not interchange on earlier engines.
The 302 Cleveland was an Aussie only engine. I have never seen one in the U.S.
Anyway, the question was about the windsor engine designation. I posted the link because it was accurate as far as describing the windsor engine plant and the various engines that were produced there.
Nextras, why the attitude?
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Mine is a 95 f-150 with a 4 speed w/od with 229,000. I'm going to drive it until it stops
and then push it. I did put a K and N air filter in it. It helped make it breath easier.
and then push it. I did put a K and N air filter in it. It helped make it breath easier.
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The engines all led to the next, but are still different engines. The 302 didnt BECOME the 351, it inspired it so to speak. Many part are interchangeable yes but they are not the same engine, same firing order on the 302 (1994-up) but still different, longer stroke, hydrolic cams etc, etc. And I'm pretty sure the 302C was in some cougars back in the day, Clevelands are in the US, thats for sure, the last of the clevelands were made for the australian marken, last installed 302C was in 2002
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