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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 04:06 AM
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won't turn over by key

The truck runs and starts fine as long as you bridge the starter at the seleniod. Must not have no power to the cranking position on the key. any easy fix?
 
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 04:21 AM
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Just get your test light out and trace from one end of the circuit or the other until you find the fault. Schematics can be found in service manuals and at the Auto Zone site. DO NOT just shotgun the circuit with replacement parts. Find the problem.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 04:29 AM
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I put this cab on my truck and it hade this problem before the cab swap.Thought it was the fuseable link but changed it with a known good one and changed the key ignition.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 05:20 AM
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Three words....Neutral Safety Switch...do a search in this forum and you will find all the info you need.
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob Cuenin
The truck runs and starts fine as long as you bridge the starter at the seleniod. Must not have no power to the cranking position on the key. any easy fix?
which lugs ?

S terminal to Battery cable
or
Battery cable to starter cable

Possible causes:
1) NSS or shifter position
2) Bad Solenoid (if no crank with jumper from S terminal to Battery Cable)
3) Break in wire from switch to S terminal (open circuit)

 

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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 06:49 PM
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I had the same problem and it was a bad ground connection from the solenoid back to the battery.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 11:56 PM
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i fought this exact problem for 3 hrs this afternoon. the brown wire from the I terminal should be hot with the key on. The red/blue wire on the S terminal should be hot in crank. this wire does not go to the ignition switch. there is a 4wire connector behind your wiper switch with i think 2 black/red wires and 2 red/blue wires. make sure the 2 red/blue wires are jumped together.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 12:13 AM
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Sorry ...(blue/red wire) it does goes to the switch.. it is the Start position of the switch that sends power thru the wire to the S Terminal to activate the Relay which makes the starter crank.

 

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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 12:14 AM
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Post #5 should have had this image not the one in there.

 
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 03:24 AM
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I got it starting by the key yesterday.I had the nss wires coming from the trans plugged into the wrong plugin it should have been plugged into the plug that is by the wiper motor not by the main harness into the firewall. Just didn't see that plug way over there. Thanks for all the help. I'll get some new pics of the cab swap Ol blue & Green Machine are 1 now. Thanks again for all the great help! from everyone
 
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 07:21 AM
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Sorry ...(blue/red wire) it does goes to the switch.. it is the Start position of the switch that sends power thru the wire to the S Terminal to activate the Relay which makes the starter crank.

maybe yours does, but mine doesnt. it goes from the starter relay to the 4 wire plug behind the wiper switch (outside terminal), jumps across to the next wire (also red/blue), then goes to the key switch. I was testing with a continuity tester fom the wire at the relay to the key switch plug to see why i wasn't getting power. i found the other 2 red/blue wires coming out of the harness and found continuity there. i looked at my parts truck and it was the same way. by the way i'd never had either of these trucks running. i looked at my dads 77 since i knew it ran and it had a factory jumper wire in it. the black wires in the 4 wire plug are also jumped together but i don't know what they are for. i don't even know what this plug is for. i was going to cut the wires and splice them together to eliminate the mess but i hate cutting up factory harnesses even if it would make things less confusing. i made a jumper wire for it and problem solved.
 
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 01:26 PM
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The OP has a 78.
The diagram is from a 78.

STA and ST stands for starter..... this connection runs to the S terminal of the starter solenoid.

Perhaps seeing the igntion switch from a 77 or 78 will help.


This is a 77 switch.



This is a 78 which the OP should have.

 
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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ok i apologize. that is the way the 3 i looked at were so i assumed they were the same till 79.
 
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