That is not the first time you have been wrong.

My two tone King Ranch came with 4 bucket seats tow command and 20" wheels with 35" tall tires all stock and none of that will come with your chevy.

Hey don't get me wrong My buds LBZ is a great truck. I just prefer the interior room, the ground clearance, the durability of the solid front end, the 6.0 motor torque shift combo over anything I have driven.

I did test all three several months ago. I noticed the dodge just felt cheap, lots of room in thier new mega cab. The chevy rode rough Yes rode rough!!!! (long bed 2500 with crew cab). I though the LBZ was stronger at take off but the 6.0 pulled better throughout the rpm's and alot better at the highend.

My new truck pulls my 13,000lb trailer up every hill I have found at the speed limit (above if you realy wanted) With 35" tall tires and 3.73 gears. so what do you gain with the claims for the chevy's HP and Torque.

Chevy needs to beef up thier front ends (solid axle) and enlarge thier cabs. Other than that they are great. They still have a bad rep from thier glorified gas engine converted to diesel (old motor) and only time will tell how they will do in the future...

DMAX: Keep in mind there are more Ford diesels sold than Chevy and Dodge combined so there are alot more Ford believers than the other two...

 

Enomra: Amen to the ride quality side -- the ealier Chevies vs. the pre-coil front end Fords were different, Chevy had the plush ride. My 3500 Dmax was painfull unless I deflated the tires to near dangerous levels, and only after replacing the stock junk shocks with Bilsteins in the 1st 200 miles.

The '05+ Ford both rides smoother and has the extra load capacity -- they've done an amazing job to get both in the one package...

 

As well as shrink the turning radius by several, 5 I think, feet!

 

I certainly don't have enough posts here to be on the same playing field as most of the members, but I will add my 2 cents just for fun. Since this topic has evolved into somewhat of a brand comparison, I'll add my simple criteria for picking a Super Duty. It has little to do with brand loyalty, numbers or ego type stuff. Simply put, spend just a little time in any campground, any equestrian event, or commercial site and see what 85% of the trucks getting the job done are. Super Dutys. Real world observation makes it pretty clear that the Ford fits the bill for more people and more tasks than the other brands. Simply by volume the Ford would certainly appear to have some magical combination that the the others just haven't come up with. No 0-60 crap, peak numbers, internet racing etc. Just look and see what truck "gets it done" for this great country!

 

Just because Ford sold more doesn't mean that much, they also probably bought more back than any other brand.

BTW congradulations dan, that is the first time I have heard painfull and GM ride associated together in the same sentence.

I guess the added hp is for being able to hold a higher gear and get more fuel economy while towing. I the only places I have been that I could have used more hp is in PA. Even then, with down shifting, I could hold 70 easy. This is LB7 and a larger tune. BTW I averaged 12mpg through the mountains of PA pulling a 29.5 foot Jayco with no slideouts fiver, what did you get for MPG.

BTW I haven't seen any bad cases of undurable IFS......setups. Please tell me where you are getting this?

I do like the decreased turning radius. Good job ford.

We also have had a duramax on a site still running with over 491k, and one that had been modified most of it's life just burned a piston at 300k. So I don't think the 6.5 5.7 diesel gas conversion is even in site anymore.

I don't see where you think ford out does chevy anywhere in hp, esp with the LBZ, it out does even the new 6.4 everwhere on the dyno graph, so I think your seat of the pants meter is biased.

FYI I will probably be wrong again.

 

98x50: Well put!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah I almost forgot I have the saddle leather seats oh how I love those saddle leather seats.

You would have to throw the seat off your horse in the front of a chevy to get that....................

 

Dan you are the first guy to tell me how rough a GM rides. Congrats.


The LBZ tops the new 6.4 number throughout the entire graph, so I have no idea how you think the 6.0 has any advantage anywhere.

Saddle leather seats ..... LOL they still can't compare to a GM seat in comfort.

BTW I have posted this before, but you rarely see any 6.0 ford's anywhere here, with the exception of a few diehard ford guys. There are a lot of 7.3's and and a lot duramax's. There are a lot of Cummins a half hour south (big farm country) but they are even converting to LBZ's recently and keeping their Cummins for work and play. There are very few new body style F150's here mostly a lot of 1500 gm's and a lot of Hemi's. Campgrounds or otherwise. 95% of the 6.0's here are on dealer lot.

I honestly can only think of 5 guys locally that own a 6.0PS. One guy just bought one cheap it was wrecked with 130k on the lot and got it 2 weeks ago. One guy bought a new 6.0 in 2003 or 04 and it has very few miles on it as he is retired. One contractor here has a PS 6.0 as a work truck that has 150k on it and has put 1 tranny, 1 turbo, and a couple of EGR's in it since new. He bought a new SD in 05 with the Gas motor. One is a farmer/ used equipment dealer, and his has a stick in it with a Bully Dog Monitor and he beat the heck out of it, but no idea of the miles on it. One guy is a doctor and modified the heck out of it, and it is in the shop more than it is out. He has over 40k in mods alone he hired done, and it still doesn't have over 550hp or that it puts to the pulling track. I think it is getting sold for a new 6.4 or a Dmax. I haven't talked to him lately.

 

This thread starts out as a Trade in Question thread, changes into a Ford vs Competition thread and then evolves into a some sort of Competition/Mod subjective BS type of thread. Hopefully, we all buy the truck that best fits our needs... I know that I did and I'm not on the DMax and Dodge sites ranting about superior towing and hauling capacity (objective and indisputable).

 

Funny, I mentioned that on page 4.

 

But doesn't the DMAX cost quite a bit more than the ford or dodge?

 

duramaximizer: Again you are sinking further and further. Your statments are false and one sided. If you could objectivly look at your replies you would see why that is. I have given the Dmax credit where due and you have not said one good thing about the Ford. You can't honestly think we believe a word you post. For some strange reason there are no Fords in your country. Well then you must be from the city where those pavement pounding chevys might last a few years. Out here in the country there are (as the sales numbers state) more Fords than the chevy and dodge combined. If you look at the farmers and loggers (the ones that beat the crap out of thier trucks and expect them to keep running) they are either Ford or dodge as they will last longer and have the ground clearance required everywhere but in town or your driveway. I concider you a troll

So you keep posting your uneducated statements and I will just start ignoring them. I can better spend my time enjoying my Ford truck in my soft saddle leather seats of which you have obviosly never had the luxury of sitting in.

 

I have sat in them, but soft didn't make them comfortable. Believe me I have sat in the ford leather seats.

BTW the guy that came and walked our woods just this past year drove a 2003 1500 Z71 chevy with a head gasket leak on the left bank, had a new tranny put in at 180k and the motor had 230k on it and he was telling me what a POS it was compared to the 98 GM he had with 500k on it and only needed a water pump. He said "The 98 was never as bad as this one." The actual loggers came in with a 1 ton ext cab dodge Cummins 4x4 6 speed and a semi.

I live in a small town of 2000-2500 people. Our closest new Ford doesn't stock any trucks other than F150's of which they had 3 on the lot as I drive past there when I go to church on Sunday they stock tons of mustangs, 500's, and freestyles. I can take a picture and post it. It is the honest truth. We have one used car dealer actually in our town that stocks nothing but fords and he has very few 6.0 PSD on the lot most all gassers, and a ton of Grand Am's and Grand Prix's.

The GM dealer we use is 1/2 hour away, and the owner of the GM dealership just bought out the ford dealer right beside it. It is now called Jim Schmidt Chevy Ford. They are on the net. The previous ford owner would say things like you can't afford that truck, besides his service department was rotten, people just went down the road 500 yards to the GM dealership.

Sorry if you think I am joking and or lieing. I have posted before that I like ford's integrated brake controller and I also like the new tighter turning radius but those things are the 1st things I look for when buying a truck.

They aren't uneducated statement, you would laugh at all of the GM you see around here honestly. We have very few hills in NW ohio as it is mostly 100% flat. Ground clearance is only for the ocassional mud around here not 4 inches in 10 hours like you guys in the west coast, and we normally only get 1 good snow a year that amounts to maybe a foot and if I am lucky it will last a week.