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A freind of mine has a Superchip programmer on his 2003 7.3. He usually backs out of it when the pyro hits 1200. My question is can he take it any higher? He has a straight pipe on it but hasnt done anything to the intake.
He can...provided he doesn't stay up there too long. 1200 is the highest sustained EGT you'll want to have. Aluminium, as in pistons, starts to melt at about 1250.
Last edited by cookie88; Mar 26, 2006 at 07:35 PM.
Yep - backing out of it at 1200* is good and safe. Like Cookie said - you can take it higher for a SHORT time - but you start risking your pistons' well being.
Your right cookie, aluminums melting point depends on the other metal alloys introduced in its forging proccess. In a sense the melting point of aluminum is never the same, like a snow flake there never the exact same.
The exact melting point of aluminum is 1220.666 °F. Your friend is smart to back off at 1200 degrees.
that is only true if they were machined out of a solid block of aluminum. since they are forged there are other alloys in the piston itslef that raise the melting point. aluminum is very soft and if it was pure it would not be able to withstand the cylinder pressures these engines see. they are hardened but im not sure with what. also during the forging process the aluminum is heat treated which makes them stronger. inside the cylinder itself there is heat transfer between the cylinder and the piston to cool it down and with the cylinder sleeves being surrounded by coolant i dont think the piston gets anywhere near 1200 degrees if thats what your pyro reads.
i still would back off at 1200
Does that account for the other metals introduced during the forging process?
No. That's pure aluminum. I should have clarified that statement. Like stated, someone would need to take into account the process the piston was manufactured to find the true melting point, as well as the cooling effects of the rest of the engine. I wasn't trying to say that our pistons will melt at that temp, just that temp is a good safe place to keep your EGT's under.
It would probably take a lot more than 1300 degrees to melt the pistons in our engines, given all the other factors. But, I'm not going to play test subject. Also, there's more to it than just the possibility of melting a piston. You have to take into account the expansion rate of the piston versus the cylinder. The piston will expand faster than the cylinder, and at hight EGTs, it could cause some serious scarring of the cylinder walls.
It would probably take a lot more than 1300 degrees to melt the pistons in our engines, given all the other factors. But, I'm not going to play test subject. Also, there's more to it than just the possibility of melting a piston. You have to take into account the expansion rate of the piston versus the cylinder. The piston will expand faster than the cylinder, and at hight EGTs, it could cause some serious scarring of the cylinder walls.
yup thats exactly why you dont want to race a cold engine
Also, there's more to it than just the possibility of melting a piston. You have to take into account the expansion rate of the piston versus the cylinder. The piston will expand faster than the cylinder, and at hight EGTs, it could cause some serious scarring of the cylinder walls.
Exactly! Aside from getting hot enough to actually MELT a piston - I read somehwere... wish I could remember where... that getting the pistons too hot leads to microscopic cracks in them - the more you do it - the worse the cracks can get until... BOOM!!
Like stated, someone would need to take into account the process the piston was manufactured to find the true melting point, as well as the cooling effects of the rest of the engine. I wasn't trying to say that our pistons will melt at that temp, just that temp is a good safe place to keep your EGT's under.
Yeah, I know. I was just teasing ya'
Google the forged material (2618-T61) to find the actual melting point....might scare ya'a little bit (1180*F)
Last edited by cookie88; Mar 26, 2006 at 08:51 PM.
Thanks Guys, you answered my question, and then some.
Glad we could help. That's what we tend to do here. Answer you question, and load you up with extra knowledge. After a week or two of poking around here, you'll probably know more about the PSD than you though you would.
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