I second that...

P.S.: Am i the Illegal Alien of the Forum?. Taking your posts, even putting my illegal posts on your screen, escribiendo en español (writting in spanish)... Muahahahahaha

 

IN my opinio. We shouldnt accomadate for them so. i know tulsa was trying or did pass a law to make all there laws in english only.

In my opinion is if. You come to America. Speak the langauge. Dont expect a hand out. Dont act like an *** or...get out

If you go to germany. Do they have boxes with french on one side Or english on another.

I live in peggs,oklahoma. But go to school in Tahlequah.oklahoma. Known for there nursuries. We have a huge population of well..mexicans. The school spends something like a 250k a year on teaching people or converting for them. In fact my first hour is half spanish only. There taking our jobs. I cant really even get a job now a days. Im 16 and all the mexicans are tanking my jobs.
I lvoe the ones that say there rights are being vilaoted but they have no immigration status. Then the local lady here got Broad sided by a suv. Illegal immigrant. No license, NO insurance. Etc etc. She Ended up in the hospital for quite awhile. Bill big time. But The illegal didnt even get deported. Never arrested. Just ticketed at 100 bucks. Which he never paid.

What ever im not getting into this. But one comedian had a joke call the burning river of gas...i like that idea. almost possible.

If that makes me racist . THen so be it. If that offends you, to damn bad...Thats my opinion. Im entitled to it.

Goose

 

The internet has no borders. Nothing to sneak over.

BTW: Illegals are the same in any country...illegal. I personally try to not to refer to anyone as aliens. Aliens are on StarTrek and other such fictional shows and pose no threat to my right to order a hamburger and expect the order taker to understand what I am saying.

 

And Pray that this man and his family do not lay the waters barren of fish.

kw5413: Chapter 52 verse 213

 

EDIT:
I typed out a whole long tirade about my personal experiences with an immigrant coworker, and how it has soured my own personal views about this subject, but I'll spare everyone's eyes and minds.

Suffice to say, my only requests and insights are these..
If you want to come here and be a US citizen, do so. Legally.. It's tough. It's supposed to be. If it were easy, everybody would be here, and most would be on welfare, that's human nature. It wasn't any easier for my families a hundred or so years ago, just less paperwork. I look back on all they did to better my life, and am grateful.. Wouldn't everyone want that kind of pride for their children and grandchildren?
Learn the language. Please. It's a simple equation. You came here for a better life. You want one? Learn to communicate with the folks that are already here. Not saying you have to speak perfect english the first day. Hell, most of us butcher the language on a daily basis, myself included. But make an effort. There's cheap or free education everwhere, just for the asking.. Schools, library, bookstore, colleges, peers, ect.. It doesn't take much, and it will benefit you 10 fold. You'll get a better job, better pay, be able to engage in commerce easier, be better respected, and will be all around better educated if you just learn the language. Doesn't it just make sense.

Any ridiculous accomodations and expectations made beyond that by our goverment and citizens are of no fault of theirs, it's OUR job to regulate the gov't and ensure that the policies in force are working, not someone who just got off the boat here.

I must borrow a quote from someone here at work..
"Well, they came over here for a better life, maybe the problem was them in the first place, not where they lived, there's still millions of people there doing just fine."
Not exactly accurate in many cases, but it was a good point in some..

I'll stop now, before I end up retyping my previous rant..

 

A_G I agree with you 100% man. i work my A$$ off for the things i have, only to have more of my hard earned dollars takin from me to provide food and health care to these ILLEGAL ALIENS. I had no health care for the longest time and made "to much money" to be given any government handouts.

what im trying to say is we have to many TRUE AMERICANS that need to be taken care of, our disabled vetrens, other workers who have reached disable status, familys who have lost a father and have no source of income, our large numbers of baby boomers who are know of age and entitled to social security benifits.

If we were to simply no longer provide benifits to these aliens, and instead invest this money into america we'd all end up better in the end. no more illegals sucking off our welfare funds and slowly turning our great nation into a third world hell hole.

dont get me wrong i am not all for getting rid of our wellfare system, i just beleave it should be there to help americans in a time of need, a little extra help to get them back on their feet. I also find it heart wrenching that we in this great nation have people who have to decide between buying the medicine or buying food, people who invested there years and long hard hours into this country only for us to turn our backs on them.

my response to whom ever mentioned the idea of writing to your state represenatives, ive writen letters to both Chuck Grassly and Tom Harkin many times, i have a folder in my file cabnet full of letters back from them.

also i understand completely the response from many of you about how all of our relatives came over as immigrants. my family [fathers side] came over in the late 1690's they worked hard and survived on their own. we also have traced relatives who have fought and died in every war since the cival war [dads family fought for the south moms fought for the north] they helped sculpt this country into the greatest on earth. and i'll be damned if i watch as its just flushed down the toilet.

 

But they show up every day at those street corners, for even the most menial jobs...

There is something there. I'm not sure what it is.

Who among us would go to some strange place, where if we were found we would be arrested, send most of what we earn home to another country, because the risks were better than the prospects at home? MEN who go away to make money in a country they are not allowed to enter, so that their Mamacita's and bambinos at home can survive. KNOWING that if they are deported, they have to do it all again. And it is expensive to sneak into the USA...

There is also the risk that your difficultly earned peso's will be grabbed, and you will be executed in an obscure place in the desert that no one will ever find...

Nasty picture, isn't it? This is what they go through.

I have always thought the illegals had a better work ethic and more guts than many of the high school grads I grew up with.

That may be an unpopular view. So be it. It is the reality - viewed from the other side of the coin.

I'm glad I don't have to try that hard - but maybe I SHOULD.

Whenever I think about this stuff, I have learned to ask myself if I have ever REALLY gone hungry?

There are those in this world who DO.

When the cupboards are empty - where will you go?

It's kinda like that where they come from...

Have you ever heard of a "Welfare" or "Relief" system in Mexico?

I don't think there is one, the politicos robbed all the money to go live somewhere else.

During the great bank crash several years ago, I heard there were Hacienda's in Texas that the politicians fled to. They had owned them for years.

I have great respect for the illegals, regardless what others think - because they are adventurers who will try anything to keep their families safe.

Welcome to the real world. I believe these people have the stubborness and courage, to be truly great American Citizens!

I say we GRAB THEM because we need people like that...

 

i agree with you greywolf, i mean i truly can say i don't have any personnel problem with immigrants, legal or illegal, but from a political point and government point, this country is not here to take in everyones troubles, nor is this country here to accomodate everyone just because they have it hard in their own country. i mean, i could understand if people came here to work and buy arms and stuff to overthrow their government, or they were launching protests points from this country, but it seems none of them care enough to do anythng about their government, they just get here and thats that, live off the system and help get the rest of their families here. but illegal is illegal, period. and to see them hooraying for their country anytime they play a sport event or something against america is disturbing also. and it goes further than immigrants, people born to immigrant parents are just as bad, take example A-Rod, he couldn't even decide if he wanted to play for the DR or america!!!! and he was born in america!!!!! just imagine if our military and police force were filled with people like this and had a conflict with their former countrymen!?!? would they fight? enforce the law on their co-patriots?

 

I'm a quarter german, Half Irish, and part Welsh - so I am told.

I'd have shot Hitler with a BOW if I'd had the chance....

But I disagree with using the USA as a launch point for attacks at other lands.

How would we be any different from terrorist training countries?

The old school image of America is that if life sucks where you are, come here! It's a better place.

Has that changed, or have we turned to crap since I woke up this morning?

 

well, not saying comparing to terrorist attacks, even our forefathers had staging points for attacks against the english, i would hardly compare them to modern day terorist. the U.S. has supported using civilian trained troops to overthrow countries, we can look at the cuban stuff, and throughout central america in the 80's, also to help repel the soviet invasion of afganistan, and it was suggested after the first gulf war about supporting the shiites to overthrow sadaam hussien. one cannot compare random acts of violence to helping a group overthrow a non-functional currupt government.

and i guess i not mean staging points from the U.S., your right, and i don't agree with that, but saying is that no one is even taking an illegal approach to bettering their government by useing the money they earned here, hell, they are more likely to smuggle drugs and such than to take any illegal action to topple their government. i justt get alot of info on things from my mom who works at a florida prison, she says there are lots of illegal and legal immigrants there, so if they are willing to commit crimes here, why not commit one to make their former country a better place to live?

but beleive me, i wish everything would be good everywhere, the best thing is to just help create better conditions in these other countries so people are not risking so much to get here, make everything like canada is!!!!

yes, i get a little hyped, its just also i am facing an 80 thousand dollar medical bill for cancer but yet i read about schools forking over thousands to teach immigrant children english, or the thousands to help "rufugees" and other programs for helping these people yet i am struggling to get any help for myself and yet i served 9 years in the military!!! but blaming immigrants is not the problem, i am blaming the politicians!!!!!

sorry mod if this was to political, my wife is an immigrant from a not so good country, so immigration always hits a point with me!!!!

 

Totally agree. Yes there are some true ones out there. that refuge there country as greywolf said. OUt of the 100's ive met about 5-10 are true and i welcome them.Illegal or not

Like a kid i got to highschool with his parents came here, and are living off cheap jobs. easy, no taxes. Now i dont wanna be racist or anything. But 75% of the crime in tulsa is illegal immigrant related. Most of them i meet. all they wanna do is fight. be aholes....my opinion is ....do it....i got 300+ acres for you to disappear on.

I myself am half irish, quarter ?? indian, quarter cherokee. so basically half indian half irish. I love my beer and i have a bad temper...seriously...
If you see in public. I look white. But look at my dad. Hes cherokee. almost half cherokee. My moms side is almost all indian. except here grandma last name was o-coffee. My whole family orignates from the ozark region. My mom is from jane MO orignally. My dads from peggs OK (both if you trace it down the blood line) i can trace my dads reletives to the revolutionary wary, civil war, war of 1812. WWII, Korean war. And Vietnam. Recently The gulf war and IRaq Just my dads. My moms was in every war. FROm revolutionary way to today, And was even in conflicts like solmalia(SP?) and so on.

I come froma military oriented family....ROFL

Goose

GOose

 

I talked about this with a few of the Chinese & Indian students I went to school with - I don't know about the "drift", but was informed that the mid-western dialect (we were in Iowa) was perceived in their countries as being the most correct in pronunciation, and they were "selected" by their countries to go to Iowa to learn English to provide a better interface between their countries and America down the road. They probably meant a pronunciation most likely perceived as not having a twang, like Joisee (Jersey) and the Southern drawl. That was nearly 20 years ago. Interesting to see that their countries appear to have had a successful long term plan...

I resent my image being presented on the net with out my explicit consent!

Um, guess if I believed anything said in the most recent state of the union address you'd be an un-patriotic, protectionist who didn't believe in the future of America! Tsk,tsk, tsk!!


I can't find the words to express my disgust on this subject. While millions of Americans are forced to endure everything slightly less than an **** probe to fly the "friendly" skies, million find ways to cross our borders without any fear of repercussions at all. Thanks, Georgie Boy... And now we are hearing of Mexican troops crossing our borders to protect drug shipments?!?!?!

Any question on why things happen like they do in America? Follow the money trail! Why have the Catholic & Methodist churches and Unions united in their oppositon to the invasion from south of the border? (look at the financial gains the churches stand to gain or lose - look at where they figure into investments in stock markets - both are among the largest investors in the American market - unions think the Hispanics will provide their next major income source) Why have both the Democratic and Republican parties taken sides against main stream America on the issue of illegal immigration? (they want to maintain power, power means money)

Yeah, it's hard to be angry at anyone who simply wants a better way of life - but realize that Americans have fought and some times died to improve their circumstances in the face of both government and corporate corruption - and the invaders, instead of continuing that fight in their own countries, want to live off the gains of American workers, until they drag our economy and lifestyle down to theirs.

 

There's a lot of good and interesting points in this thread - but I still ain't gonna pick lettuce for a living...

 

So many points of view, that's what I love about this country.
Same pool? All from Africa? Ok...that was then.
Today, immigration in general is a huge topic.

Todays immigrants, legal and illegal, are so intertwined into our financial society that there may only be two options:

1) Ammnesty for all that are here now (set a date), then block the border with any resource you have (walls, barbed wire, etc.)
2) Find all the illegals and kick them out then block the border with any resource you have (walls, barbed wire, etc.)

With the 2nd option (the one that I prefer and the only real legal choice as I see it), we will have to live with a change in our financial stability. This change will mean that my 15yr old son & 14yr old daughter will have to get a job moving irrigation pipe this summer. That too, is ok! Hard work never hurt a teenager.

Now, here is what burns my hide:

Illegal immigrants get in-state tuition
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/educ/undocimmigrant.htm

Protest against Oregon state agencies helping illegals with info on jobs, paying taxes or starting a business.
http://www.smfws.com/art12032005e.htm

Immigrants get maps to come north
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4645782.stm

U.S. and Oregon governments helping illegals gain housing
http://www.newsregister.com/news/results.cfm?story_no=203457

Good reading at this site below:
Oregonians for Immigration Reform
http://www.oregonir.org/

 

And then you have to figure what happens to crop harvesting, thus the prices in your local grocery store.

I don't see a simple solution, there is no "silver bullet" here.