I am getting a lot of whiplash for stating in the gas engine section of the dieselstop that a V10 would out accelerate a diesel if both were both stock and equipped the same. One fella claimed his brother had both and the 6L was faster. Any truth to all of that? I trust you guys to shoot straight. I just figured the quickness of a gas engine and shifting at higher rpms would put the gasser on top.
Thanks
Kelly

 

I know the truck in my sig is definately quicker than my 04 F350 6.0 PSD.
I also did an identical 2000 mile trip with the same slide in Camper and my new V10 matched the performance of the 6.0 on 8% grades.
Both trucks were and are completely stock.

I used to post in Diesel stop as Diesel Don and I still put in the odd post as Diesel Gone

This site is a little more balanced but we still have our gasser-diesel wars.
Diesel stop is a diesel site , pure and simple, and next year at this time most of the posts will be about the new 6.4 Twin Turbo PSD

On this Forum we'll still be talking about our V10s. Take care.

 

Gas motors will out-rev and out-accelerate diesels. If the truck is empty, that is.

The diesels are great torque-monsters, but will usually not rev as fast as a gas engine.

The motor's "revability" will play a big part in a drag race in the lower gears.

Once you get to 3rd in an auto (1:1 gear) or O/D, a diesel will out-pull a gas motor.

Likewise, with a heavy load, the engine won't be able to rev as fast, thus the torque of a diesel will come into play and out-pull the gasser.

art k.

 

Totally depends on the driver. If the driver knows how to launch a diesel pickup, he will outpull you right from the get go. Remember, diesels have boost lag Load'er up and build up boost, then take off...it's pretty quick.

 

True, pre-loading the turbo has a lot to do with it

 

kelro... shoot I been too busy and havn't been to the diesel stop in some time... beware to always have your flame suit on over there... they some mean butt heads who love to lurk and pounce in the gas forum.

I will race stop light to stop light any stock PSD any DAY with my 3v V10 4.30:1 stone cold stock Superduty 4x4 LONG bed 4 door 7800lb white King Ranch BSEG machine.

And win every time.

Now if the other feller is gonna cheat and spend all the green on a 4" down pipe, wicked wheel, propane, serious chip, BTS trany and 4.56:1 gears well then all that proves is that he has a lot of money to spend, much smaller peter, and if you think about it kinda pathetic... really lets see... $3700 more for the motor, another $2500 in mods... so we got about $6000 cash tied up just to beat a poor little 415 CI $510 option motor.

Oh well, I used to have a PSD on steroids... still got a little peter so that plan did not work

Guess I will pass on getting a 'vet also.... something about every body having the same thing kinda don't make it special any more... gee seems like any old joe can finance a PSD and strut around the suburb thinking he is king of the hill except all the neighbors wifes and daughters are out to wall mart or SafeWay in the same truck...

So when I pull into Sonic it is fun for the soda hop to remark how pretty! , how quiet!, and my oh my is that really a big V10 ? Gosh that must be a powerful motor! Bet you pay a lot for gas! Sure don't see any like that around here... Funny, three stalls down is a White King Ranch with a rattling clattering PSD running the AC exactly same truck as mine and the pretty little soda hop just walked right by it to ooogle my ride BSEG indeed! Think she saw the Triton V10 Badge prominently out front? ( not hidden back on the door in shame?) (evil grin) Nick I know you are lurking!

 

I have raced both.

I have a 2005 CC dually with 4.30's and a V10. My best is 17.00 stock and loaded with an aux fuel tank (empty) and crossover box loaded with tools.

I have driven a 2005 CC f250 with a 6.0L...not sure what gears though... It ran low 18's stock...It was 2wd and would spin if spooled up too high.
With a SCT XCAL I went 15.0's

 

Just a thought as I was recently over in the diesel sniffers forum... other then a few fellers...is it obvious to you that MOSTLY the V10 owners are generaly happy enough with the preformance to leave the thing stock?

Really, how many in here go out of their way and expense to mod the V10 significantly? Most of the modders I know are just adrenilin junkies and old motor heads that like the smell of burning rubber...

On the Other Hand.... almost every PSD owner (including me) that I have ever met had to modify his PSD.... an obsession? disapointed? really used to power up past 6500rpm and now limited out under 4000rpm? Little peter syndrome?

any thoughts on what drives only a few % of V10 owners in search of MORE POWER and a significantly higher % of PSD owners on that quest?

 

I have owned many PSD's 7.3's and 6.0's...I am now a confirmed V10 man!

I haul for a living ( a 53' wedge 3 car hauler). I have no NEED to mod my 05 V10 for power...I pass many PSD on the hills..

The only reason I may go with the SCT XCAL is to change how it downshifts out of O/D on the slightest grade when loaded heavy (my trailer + load combined is around 15,000 lbs)

I have the 4.30 gears and when it kicks down I am turning 3-3500 rpm at highway speeds, dropping my mileage from 6.5 (lighter loads) to around 5!

BTW I get 11-12 around town empty and about 9 when hauling a single car hauler with my Lightning on it!

I bought this truck in April and now have 55,000 miles on it with 0 problems!

My 6.0L was always in the shop and when towing heavy it only got about 6.5/7 mpg anyway!

With the lower cost of gas over diesel (generally) and the much cheaper operating expenses, I am way ahead with the V10!!

 

freds got me pinned here. my 05 v10 is on some light roids and i do love the smell of burning rubber. but dollar for dollar i still have a lot of cash left to play with and can hear my. skinard and moddy blues playing at 70 mph/

 

Fomocoman, That is an interesting post and I feel the same about the V10 as you do.
In fact sometimes I think it is the ex PSD guys that are most impressed with the V10.

My 7.3s were not as frustrating to drive as my 04 6.0 was. When you drive normally , the 6.0 is slow off the line and then when the turbo spools up it is like a dam bursting, away you go. Sure I used to hold her back with the brake and spool her up to get her to launch once in a while but this is not something you want to do every time you take off.

Fred is right, guys mod the PSDs trying to give them the drivability of a gas motor.
Each to his own but most diesel owners flatly refuse to believe that the V10 fuel useage is not that much behind the PSD. They have a hard time to trash the V10 on long life and reliability so they all know the friend of a friend that has a V10 that got 3 miles to the gal. Those of us who have owned PSDs and a V10 know that many of the mileage claims made by the PSD boys should be published in Grimms Fairy Tales.

 

I have seen the thread over on the diesel site about this and chose to stay out of it there. That sight seems to have a flame issue.

I had a PSD before my V10. I would NEVER go back to the PSD. Because I can rev my V10 it pulls the grades faster than my PSD ever could. At 19,520 lbs GCW I can pull up Cajon Pass in CA (6%) at 60 MPH. Now to me that is really good. Oh, and I can do this and still pull into a drive thru and not have to shut the engine off.

Now, I will say that I drove a Duramax with a 53' Featherlite behind it and I was very impressed, but not enough to spend that kind of money .... I can't see the cost of the diesel option on any of these trucks. I know that the V10 will pull for 200K miles, so wheres the pay back with the diesel?

Anyone ever notice that the Ford F53 motorhome chassis is sporting the V10, not the diesel. Some of those 38' motorhomes are pretty darn heavy too.

I am much more concerned about pulling and everyday driving than about drag racing. That being said, I think the V10 will kick a stock PSD in the dirt on a track. IMHO.

 

Another great Post FastDew, and do you know if the Ford F53 Motorhome has the 3 valve V10 or is it like the E series, and have the 2valve which is also an awesome engine.

There are hundreds of these Class C Motorhomes in the Canadian Rockies, pretty much all Ford E series V10s . These units are rentals and tourists from all over the world rent these things so you know they get driven hard. They go like heck up the grades and I never had the need to pass them in the 20 odd trips I have made through this area in the last few years and I have never seen one of these units break down .

 

All you fellers need to get in on the fun over at that smelly site...sure got them oil guys allstirred up down in the gas forum...BSEG indeed!


Where the hell is Nick!

 

[QUOTE=DavidT.]Totally depends on the driver. If the driver knows how to launch a diesel pickup, he will outpull you right from the get go. Remember, diesels have boost lag Load'er up and build up boost, then take off...it's pretty quick.[/QUOTE Man, you realy need to drive a 05 ve-10. There is no way a diesel is as quick as these things are. Power brake a 6.0, power brake a 3v v-10 to 2000 and then hammer it, say bye bye diesel