Hi all,

I know this question is probably beating a dead horse that has been beaten several times, but I woiuld like to get some feedback from the forum users: (if this thread belongs in a different forum, the my apologies and mods: feel free to move it)

In the next year or so, I will hopefully be able to get out of my current lease (Piece of crap Infiniti FX45) and in to a nice new F250.

I have been doing quite a bit of research and have a pretty clear idea of what I want. The only thing I'm not 100% sure about, is the choice of engine.

I won't be towing or hauling anything. The truck will be my daily driver, with lots of short trips. I'd like a truck has has a good amount of acceleration and driveability.

All this points to getting a V10. BUT:

It seems that the V10's are somewhat hard to come by. -And I have heard that the PSD's are likely to have a higher trade-in value after 3 - 4 years. Plus the PSD's are likely going to have better fuel economy. (Which is important since gas is getting close to 3 dollars per gallon where I live)

So my question is now:
Given my expected use of the vehicle as described above, how would a PSD do? I am especially thinking about long term durability of the engine with all my short trips, stop and go driving. I am also concerned about servicing a Diesel: This would be my first diesel engine'd vehicle. Are Dielsels more enpensive to service?

Thanks
Mikkel

 

you state then state
Order it that way!!

 

The PSD will have a higher resale value down the road, it all depends on how long you want to keep it. All the points you have stated are definitely in favor of the V10, the fuel mileage isnt that much better with the PSD, a few MPGs better, but with gas being cheaper than diesel it all pans out to nothing in the end anyway. Id defintely suggest ordering your truck the way you want it, it only takes around 6 weeks and is well worth the wait.

 

Welcome to FTE ! From all your needs you posted I would definetly go with the V10. Nothing at all against the 6.0 liter but from what you posted about short trips and all, sounds like you should go with the 6.8 V10. Both are great engines, order what you want. I ordered my truck the way I wanted and only took 4 weeks from the day I ordered it for it to arrive. and good luck in your decision.

 

The V10 is a $510 option, the PSD is a $3800 option, most V10s get 11-14mpg average, most PSDs get 14-18mpg average. Currently Diesel fuel is 15-45 cents higher in price than 87 octane regular gasoline. The PSD requires start warm up time and cool down time, the gas motror does not. Your choice, both ar great set your butt back in the seat motors...for what you describe the 3 valve 362HP 455 ftlb torque V10 motor may be the better choice.

If you cruise down to the SuperDuty heavy duty forum Markvii AKA Jeff of Van Bortle Ford has your truck for $900 below invoice and alll rebates

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...d.php?t=366824

 

Tech question, moved to SD/HD.

 

Go with the V10, even though I'm a diehard PSD guy, the V10 will better suit your needs. The V10 will better handle the short trips, stop and go traffic; like fredvon4 said, you don't have to wait for warm up or cool downs, and servicing is cheaper on a V10. If you're not doing any towing, it will also do pretty well for mileage, and where I'm at, gas is still 5+ cents cheaper than diesel.

 

Warm up, cool downs? I own an 04 PSD, I'm at a loss as to what you mean, 5 sec. glow plug cycle (that's a stretch)? At 30 mph round town I rarely go for a COOL down.

Maintainance of course is more expensive, but a tune-up on a V-10 any cheaper? Diesel's are a costlier option, but this isn't a cheap truck to begin with.

The biggest factor I think is, it's a DIESEL, when was the last time you saw a gas engine in a real truck (over the road)? Resale can't be ignored, If you go gas you'll always be thinking, I shoulda bought the DIESEL. Does anyone ever ask a V-10 owner if that's a gas engine you got there? I think not. people just love the rattle of a DIESEL.

Opinions stated here of course are my own, and do not necessarily reflect the views of the management, administration, majority, or anyone else

PS: anyone interested in a slightly used 04 PSD, the fuel prices are KILLING me.

 

How often do you see tractors bobtailing because they are being used as a car. I just made this choice myself. I went with the V10. Lets look at the facts


Daily driver, this is a toss up.
I won't be towing or hauling anything why get a PSD. Where I am gas is .20 cheaper a gallon. so the cost savings in fuel is not that great
Lots of short trips I would say the gas engine is better suited for that.
good amount of acceleration and driveability. I would put that as a tosss up unless he is going to do some work on the PSD

I am not banging the PSD but not everyone needs it. This is not to offend anyone BUT if ford is dropping the motor for 07 it cannot be that good. Good motors hang around for ever (chevy 350, dodge 318, Jeep inline 6) they get reworked or modified but the basic motor is used for years. Do you think that the resale value of a 6.0 PSD will remain high if the new PSD is good?

I had about the same list as this except I will be towing once in a while, but nothing that would tax the V10. History could prove me wrong since I do not even have my truck yet but I think I made the right choice.

 

Order whatever you want, if the $$ is not a problem. I chose the V10 since it is my third car, and will have less than 5K a year. It is the fourth F250/350 ive owned, and wanted to go diesel when ordering the last one, but was recommened by the dealer to go V10 instead. All they had was diesels on the lot at the time. My resales in the past have been less than comparable diesels, but I paid less when new also. My only recommendation is get a 350 over a 250.

 

the 350 and 318 have been replaced by the 327 (5.3 Vortec) and the dodge 4.7 but i know what you mean.

the 6.0 is a good motor, but i think ford want a more powerful motor to compete with the new cummins and duramax's numbers. cause whats to say the new engine won't have problems?

mikkel, from what you said, it looks like you need a V10. test drive both and see which you like better. just remember, for a $400 tuner for the diesel, you'll be whooping a V10 in a race.

 

I had 2 V10's and they were good motors but the MPG during towing swayed me over to a Diesel. Do look at all the cost associated with a diesel. Oil changes, fuel filters and the cost of diesel. Some places its cheaper than gas and others it is not. Then look at the cost of the motor and tranny, although you can now get the TQshift with the V10. My suggestion is if you are doing alot of towing go with the PSD for MPG and with occasional towing and/or around city driving go with the V10.

 

It is wrong to say this.

The Chrysler 225 Slant six was a great motor but it is no longer manufactured.

The Ford 300 6 cylinder was a great motor that easily went 300K miles. It is no longer manufactured.

The 6.9L Diesel was a great motor that would go 300K miles. It is no longer manufactured.

The 7.3L Diesel was (is) a great motor and it replaced the 6.9L. Its the same block as the 6.9 but it's bored. The 7.3 is no longer available.

The 6.0L Diesel is now a good motor. It, like was done with the 6.9L diesel, is being upgraded to be .5 liter larger displacement. It will have more power after the upgrade but will still use the 6.0L block. I would argue that the 6.0 is a more durable motor than the upcoming 6.4 because the 6.0 was designed to take the extra punishment of living as a 6.4. But, as is common with most engine manufacturers, new engines are released "detuned" until the bugs are worked out of them. Even the outboard industry does this.

Enough said.

For sole use around town, get a gas motor. The diesel will not show its good fuel economy if you spend most of your travels going from stoplight to stoplight. Also, if you aren't hauling any weight, you sure as heck won't need the power of the diesel. I question whether a better choice for you might be a 5.4 for around town usage.

I just took delivery on a 6.0L crewcab and I am thrilled with the motor. But, I have very few trips that are under 20 miles long. For those kind of trips, I don't mind waiting an extra minute to warm up the turbo before I go and waiting an extra couple of minutes to cool it down when I get there.

 

Thanks for the feedback.

I did go for a testdrive in a 2005 PSD CC Lariat 4x4. I was REAL impressed with how comfy the ride was, kinda reminded me of my old 2001 Lincoln Navigator.

The salesrep INSISTED that the Diesel did NOT need warm up and cool down and was designed for around town driving.... -But then again, they didn't have any V10's in stock....

:-)

 

The diesel seems to be the clear winner for towing and distance driving/longevity. Just got a 05 F350 PSD DRW from Jeff at VBF. I wanted the greater towing capacity of the diesel and the DRW although I don't tow everyday. Not a big difference in cost either way you go. None of the super duties are cheap or very economical. If you really need the greater capicity of a super duty then it's going to cost you. I say consider what you need on a regular basis, what you might need occasionally, what you can afford, and then say screw it and get what you dig.