Doesn't 6.0 + .5 = 6.5??

 

Yes, that is a very obvious math error on my part.
6.0 + 0.4 = 6.4 and of course, 6.9 + 0.4=7.3

You might consider an F150 because you would benefit from all of the redesign that has gone into that truck. If I didn't need the weight carrying capacity of an F250/350, I would definitely have looked at the 150s.

Somebody here mentioned that they never give the turbo time to cool down. That is a bad thing because they run the risk of "coking" the oil in the turbo bearings. After a 25 minute ride, it's not so bad waiting 3 minutes to cool down the turbo. But, after a 10 minute ride through town, that wait period adds 30% to your travel time.

 

3/4ER
Here is a very typical scenario that I see a LOT!

I know way too many folks who do not think a thing about sitting on their butt watching the news until 07:15(got to be to work by 07:30) on a blustery 10 degree morning, leisurely filling up their travel mug and hustling through the wind to the safety of the very cold truck. Place the coffee in the holder and at same time start the beast up, blip, cackle, cackle, cackle, blip, rev, rev some more, then dump in drive and down the drive way headed for the super-slab within the first 45 seconds of engine start. Run it up to 65mph, set the cruise, and start getting the morning news on the radio. 7 short miles later into the company lot, put her in park, forget the e-brake, shut her down, grab the coffee, and run for the office as the pipes crackle and tinkle and the turbo still spinning about 25,000 rpm.

If folks do not know what is wrong with this method of diesel motor use, then they really should be using a gasoline motor.

3/4ER also said:
"Maintenance of course is more expensive, but a tune-up on a V-10 any cheaper? Diesel's are a costlier option, but this isn't a cheap truck to begin with.

The biggest factor I think is, it's a DIESEL, when was the last time you saw a gas engine in a real truck (over the road)? Resale can't be ignored,"

Of course resale can not be ignored.

But what is your basis for assuming that a diesel vs. Gas truck has higher or lower re-sale value? Anyone would expect that if you paid $3800 more for an optional motor in a truck, that on the re-sale end, it would have some more residual value of that investment/cost above a vehicle that you paid $510 for the optional motor. But what is the true value relatively speaking? If you borrowed the money to buy the truck, then you paid interest over time on the higher cost motor and that must be a factor.

To answer your maintenance question:



Yes the V10 is MUCH cheaper !



The Ford V10 requires 3000 or 5000 mile oil/filter change (I pay $2.79 for the filter and $2.39 a quart for 7 qts of good oil). Most of the time the air filter($15.98) is good for 15,000 miles and the fuel filter($9.89) is good out to 30,000 miles. The 5R110 external oil filter and oil change every 30,000 miles are the same cost for either motor option, as is Tire rotation every 3000-5000 miles, and both are a quick half hour tasks. At 100,000 miles the V10 needs (Dealer charge $250-$475) spark plugs replaced and can be done by the owner in two hours and about $45. Total scheduled maintenance for the first 100,000 miles is approximately $1022-$1425

And 3/4ER asks: Does anyone ever ask a V-10 owner if that's a gas engine you got there?

Why yes, they do, and many are in awe of how quiet and powerful a V10 really is. Most want to know what gas mileage I get, and they are universally impressed that I average 12.7mpg moving a 7800 pound air dam down the road at 65-75mpg. The remember fondly just how inefficient their old 460 CI motor would struggle to get 9-11mpg moving a 1500 pound lighter truck.

OK your turn


PS; I used to own a 7.3L and now co-own 2 6.0L so I think I have a clue about diesel maintenance.

 

Why would you think there's a difference in how long it takes to warm up a diesel vs gas engine? I use same procedure on both, use a little common sense. Surely I don't pull into my driveway after doing 85 mph, and shut down the beast either, don't do that with a gasser either.

The fact that I use SYN oil, and bypass filter should be an indication that I have a reverence for all inanimate things, they have feelings too.

Resale speaks for itself, same vehicle, same condition, no doubt the diesel will fetch a higher price for sure, of course stranger things have happened. (too bad we cannot discuss politics in this forum)

Mileage speaks for itself, that same 7800lb load with a diesel undoubtably would get signifcantly better mileage. That's a fact.

These are my opinions, can't help it if they're factual.

 

My parents have owned two diesel trucks in the last 10 years, a 96 7.3L Powerstroke, and a 2002 7.3L Powerstroke. The diesel engine does not get better mileage until its good and HOT, for stop and go driving in town it will take a long time until the temp is optiumum for mileage. Diesels are annoying in the cold weather, very little power, very little mileage and there loud. Diesel engines are much better suited for work, hard work, as a daily driver in the city you will be disappointed with the diesel. Since you MUST have a truck even though you dont need one, my vote would go towards the V10 for this appilication. You have to remeber though, these trucks, though fancy and nice, are still designed to be utilatairan work vechiles, there made to sweat and get dirty and you are going to be using it in an application to which they are not at there best.

If I was in your poistion, id take the "practical" route. Id buy a $2000 Honda civic from a private seller and use that as a family vechile and daily commuter. Think about the money youll be saving, and the darn things get 30mpg, hard to beat that. I know its fun to have an ex*****ve cool looking truck to have, but with fuel prices being what they are and the the economy not being so hot, youve got to cut back and save your money.

 

So which one of the engines was only available for 3 years? I think the 300 had a 20+ year run? Chevy 350 35 years and still availble as a crate motor. You make my point for me.

 

Ford makes different motors because people use the trucks differently. If one of the motors was vastly superior to all others, they'd only make one motor.

Personally I try and avoid these threads since I have a measly little 260hp 5.4l. I agree with one of the earlier posts, for what you said you're using the truck for, get the v8. Just be ready for everyone to tell you how weak and slow your truck is.

-Jay

 

Turn the key, the little swiggly light goes out, and off you go. Diesels have come a long way. 1 yr., and 27,000 miles (don't tell anyone, but I haven't even checked my fuel filters yet), and purring like a kitten.

 

3/4er, is this your first diesel or are you a seasoned operator? Yes, diesels have come a long way from when Rudolph first designed them, but they still function the same way. They run best when they are well warmed up, and the create a LOT of heat when running and need to be cooled down, no matter what the dealer says, no matter the technology within the engine.
For a truck running around town and a lot of short trips, a gas engine is a much better choice. As said before, diesels are best for work and longer trips.
And for not checking your fuel filter, can't say I'd tell people that I don't take care of my truck and don't do regular maintenance. Yea you might not have a problem now, but if you keep this up, it'll come back to bite you in the wallet, one way or the other.

 

Lets see, I owned a 01 with the v10,and now own a 03 with a 7.3 powerstroke

V10 about 12-13 on the highway- 8-9 around town(if i was lucky)

7.3 19-22 on the highway and 14-16 around town

V10 $600 option
7.3 $4900 option

For the difference in price i would spend the $ 4900 all over again!!!

 

Most people already know it's a gas engine-the "TRITON V10" badges on the fenders kinda gives it away!

But you wouldn't believe the amount of questions I get about my truck's engine! I hardly ever stop at a gas station when another pickup owner doesn't come over and ask me about the "V10". Just the simple fact that it's a 10 cylinder engine generates a ton of curiousity. The fact that it's a Superduty draws enough attention in and of itself as well!!

They ask about it's power, what mileage I get, it's displacement, how's it pull etc. A few guys have even asked me to open the hood so they can see the engine.

 

First off: Thanks to all of you for sharing your opinions with me.

66, your point is absolutely dead on, IF this was a rational choice I'd be driving a Civic or a Prius by now :-)

But this isn't a rational choice at all :-) -See the thing is, I am originally from another country where all vehicles are taxed to the must absurd point. Here's how it works:

Assume a base price of, say 50000 dollars

Add 25% sales tax, total is now 62500 dollars

Then add the "registration fee" of 180 % (yes, one hundred eighty percent)

Grand total = 175000 Dollars......

Then add an average fuel cost of 5.86 dollars per gallon and ...

So, you see, I just HAVE to try one of these big, cool, powerful trucks :-)

Again, thanks to all of you for chiming in. I just wanted to get some feedback on what this local Ford dealer had told me about the PSD being just fine for around-town driving and no need for warm-up or cool-down.

 

i can not believe that all of you got sucked into another one of these threads!! HERE IS THE ANSWER

yes, this subject has been beaten like a dead red headed step child horse, so DO A SEARCH and find all the threads that deal with this subject

in the next YEAR OR SO...good that will give you just enough time to read all the threads that you find with your search that deal with this...subject.

 

Ive tried several times doing a search on this topic. Only problem is that most results from the search are at best childish banter between gas and diesel owners and at worst people telling me why the other guys engines sucks. Not much real information. You can spend a long time digging through the search function, like myself (until it tells you that you have maxed out your number of searches) and get little useful info to work with. Good example is the recently frozen thread titled something like "V-10 is a better investment, I'll prove it" try navigating your way through that one. Like most of the diesel vs. gas threads they start out civil and quickly degenerate into a contest to prove who's got the bigger manhood.

 

3 years? The 6.0L was released in 2003 and will run through 2006. That makes 4 years...2003, 2004, 2005, 2006.

The 6.9L diesel was released in 1982 and replaced in 1987 with the 7.3.

What point was made? It is not unheard of for a manufacturer to release a motor, work the bugs out of it while it's still a lower powered motor and then beef it up once things are right. Again, I suggest that International is happy with the 6.0L and in fact, they are so happy with it that they are making the "beefed up" version available in 2007.

Your experience with the 6.0 might be bad but there are plenty of people who have no trouble with it. For any given engine, you could find people who have had problems with it and badmouth it. Don't forget that most people who are perfectly satisfied with their engines won't take the time to put a post on this site about how good the engine is. But, this is a great place for those with troubles to vent.