Hunters Killed
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From: Covington usa
Another great point..."The fact that Mr. Vang is Hmong should have no bearing on the case. He is a human being. While racial/ethnic slurs are despicable" as a mater of fact I don't remember posting my race so we don't know who or what we are dealing with even here on line! Did anyone know I was an Native American? I could have been Black or Asian...a person name isn't always a clue... ( I could have even been a girl : 
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From: Central, MA
Originally Posted by johare
And he raises a valid point regarding hunting with semi-automatics. I do not wish for animals to be wounded or maimed and the hunter not able to complete the kill.
Some places have tried to poison them resulting in a slow agonizing death and not only were the deer getting poisoned.
In a controlled situation hunting is safe and a practical way of keeping a healthy animal population.
I had a discussion once with an animal rights supporter. They said that shooting deer is cruel and inhumane.
Then I asked them if they ever saw a pack of coyotes or wolves attack a single deer.
They said no.
Well the deer is still generally alive while they are trying to eat it.
Wouldn’t you rather take a slug in the chest and have it be over with fairly quickly.
Education is important no matter what is being discussed. Unfortunately every year sports like hunting are getting less popular due to politics and bad press.
Some of these special interest groups that are against hunting use false advertising to give an impression that is not correct.
Soon fishing of all sorts will be a target for them and nothing will be safe.
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From: Springfield, IL USA
I agree that we need ways to control over population of deer. It is almost out of control here in Illinois - there are more deer than ever. That is one reason I am not opposed to hunting.
As stated before - I enjoy fishing for many reasons; being out in nature, the thrill and anticipation of landing "the big one", the peace and solitude of being on the water, the ancient urgings to hutn and gather. I do not believe we should let one very tragic incident set social policy. I would stand behind hunters and support their rights to hunt just as I would hope they would support my right to fish!
As stated before - I enjoy fishing for many reasons; being out in nature, the thrill and anticipation of landing "the big one", the peace and solitude of being on the water, the ancient urgings to hutn and gather. I do not believe we should let one very tragic incident set social policy. I would stand behind hunters and support their rights to hunt just as I would hope they would support my right to fish!
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From: peggs,ok
well i just had a similar problem down here in peggs oklahoma, some ahole had a fight with his girlfried and was tryting to pick a fight with me , 14 year old hunting on his own property, he said im going to cap you, he pulled is gun, and it was a bb gun...., so i chamber a shell in my pump action 12 gauge and he walked away, then i heard some real gun shots and a police siren i called my friend, and he said that this retard pulled the same gun on this other dude and this other dude shot him wiht a 30/06
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From: Central, MA
Originally Posted by 250-1968_campspecial
well i just had a similar problem down here in peggs oklahoma, some ahole had a fight with his girlfried and was tryting to pick a fight with me , 14 year old hunting on his own property, he said im going to cap you, he pulled is gun, and it was a bb gun...., so i chamber a shell in my pump action 12 gauge and he walked away, then i heard some real gun shots and a police siren i called my friend, and he said that this retard pulled the same gun on this other dude and this other dude shot him wiht a 30/06
Gun control is not the answer to this issue though.
What is the percentage of legally registered and owned guns (in the hands of the owners) committing gun related crimes?
If gun control legislation were to get any more power than it has, only criminals would have guns.
Does anyone remember what that silly Prohibition Law did for the country?
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From: Montreal Canada
Originally Posted by AeroPA
Read some of the news articles. The only reason that would have any bearing at all is to give some background to explain the tensions that exist in that area between the locals and the Hmong community.
I don't live there, so it's not up to me to decide how much animosity there is toward the Hmongs. And we certainly don't know about past confrontations between the two groups.
I don't live there, so it's not up to me to decide how much animosity there is toward the Hmongs. And we certainly don't know about past confrontations between the two groups.
just seems to me some folks are more concerned about taking their quota of deer and immigrants not trespassing on their hunting land, than this guy that killed a bunch of people
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From: peggs,ok
the reason there are not many gun registrys is most ppl have htere granpas guns and stuff, i know i only have to registered guns and i dont think u can get a rifiling off a smoot bore shotgun, my other one is a .22, but my grandpas guns are 2 other .22 a 410 and a .303 (the size of a 30/06 or bigger than one) and its from wwI
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From: Northern PA
Originally Posted by websthes
snip all you want
just seems to me some folks are more concerned about taking their quota of deer and immigrants not trespassing on their hunting land, than this guy that killed a bunch of people
just seems to me some folks are more concerned about taking their quota of deer and immigrants not trespassing on their hunting land, than this guy that killed a bunch of people
Who are you referring to? I was trying to address the point someone made about the news talking about him being Laotian. Choosing your quote probably confused the issue, now that I read back on it. I wasn't picking on you, I'm sorry if it sounds like I was.
It doesn't matter to me where he's from, he killed 6 people and wounded 2 others. I think everyone here is concerned about that, or we wouldn't be discussing it.
We may never know the truth of the situation, or anybody's true motivation at the time.
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From: Near Wamego KS
Vang was NOT using a SKS, it was a Saiga rifle (incorrectly called a Siaga SKS in the police report). Saiga rifles are of Russian manufacture that have a 10 round clip, uses a version of the AK's firing system but can't use an AK's clips. Designed specifically as a hunting rifle and to abide by all the assault weapon ban's restrictions. Link to police report that contains Vang's statement and statement from one of the victims. (If it's not a Dan Rather type document).
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...304edits01.pdf
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...304edits01.pdf
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From: Central, MA
Originally Posted by dhermesc
Vang was NOT using a SKS, it was a Saiga rifle (incorrectly called a Siaga SKS in the police report). Saiga rifles are of Russian manufacture that have a 10 round clip, uses a version of the AK's firing system but can't use an AK's clips.
Link to police report that contains Vang's statement and statement from one of the victims. (If it's not a Dan Rather type document).
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...304edits01.pdf
Link to police report that contains Vang's statement and statement from one of the victims. (If it's not a Dan Rather type document).
http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphic...304edits01.pdf
The news report I read also mentioned a 20-round clip.
I'm not a Saiga expert, is this available?
When has 100% of the truth ever come out of a first hand report either by police or by the media?
After a real investigation, we will hopefully get all of the facts straight and in place.
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From: Atlanta GA
> You don’t plan or expect to shoot other hunters!
You should when asking someone that is armed, to leave your private property, that is using a stand that is not his own. This alone should send up huge warning flags. Especially if racial tension already exists in the area.
If four people had shotguns/rifles slung (not raised) over thier arms in his general direction while watching him leave, I doubt he would have gotten off more then two hits before being fired on being only forty yards away.
When common sense and precautions go out the window you get killed. It does not matter if you are hunting, felling a tree, or working on a car.
You should when asking someone that is armed, to leave your private property, that is using a stand that is not his own. This alone should send up huge warning flags. Especially if racial tension already exists in the area.
If four people had shotguns/rifles slung (not raised) over thier arms in his general direction while watching him leave, I doubt he would have gotten off more then two hits before being fired on being only forty yards away.
When common sense and precautions go out the window you get killed. It does not matter if you are hunting, felling a tree, or working on a car.
Last edited by rebocardo; Nov 24, 2004 at 02:39 PM.
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We were talking about this at work the day after it happened. This is a huge hunting area hereabouts. Doe day is a day off from school.
Some were saying they would probably be a lot more cautious about confronting someone in the woods now than they were before. I've never thought it was a good idea to confront an armed stranger in the woods anyway. We don't have the same tensions here they mention in some reports about that area, but you never know any more.
And that doesn't even take accidental shootings into account. There are certainly people in the woods carrying weapons that have no business doing so.
Some were saying they would probably be a lot more cautious about confronting someone in the woods now than they were before. I've never thought it was a good idea to confront an armed stranger in the woods anyway. We don't have the same tensions here they mention in some reports about that area, but you never know any more.
And that doesn't even take accidental shootings into account. There are certainly people in the woods carrying weapons that have no business doing so.
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From: stevens point
all's i got to say is that i feel very sorry for the hunters that died, and there family. what a waste. people like that ( ppl who might murder ppl ) should not be allowed to hunt/own guns, especially not an SKS. altho there is really no way of knowing if some1 might murder 6 hunters. sad
god bless them and there families and i hope justice is served on Mr.Vang!
god bless them and there families and i hope justice is served on Mr.Vang!
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From: Covington usa
Geesh reading these post causes me to wonder what the heck..what difference does the weapon make? Would it habe been better if was a 22 or a shot gun? Just because it's an SKS or a similair model makes no difference dead is dead.
"i hope justice is served on Mr.Vang" What is justice here? Hang 'em? We are allowed our time in court and just because he looks guilty dose not mean we have to hang him. Give the court's and Law Enforcement time to work it out! I have seen many cases when I was a Deputy where things weren't not what they seemed at all times... lets hope the case is done right and justice prevails.
"i hope justice is served on Mr.Vang" What is justice here? Hang 'em? We are allowed our time in court and just because he looks guilty dose not mean we have to hang him. Give the court's and Law Enforcement time to work it out! I have seen many cases when I was a Deputy where things weren't not what they seemed at all times... lets hope the case is done right and justice prevails.
