I'm sure that they COULD make a deisel for Ford, but I think it wouldnt be good for them if they did.

 

Dude your way off here... i usually don't like to correct people but i can't let this slide... 1. CAT cannot repeat CANNOT supply enough DIESEL ENGINES for FORD or maybe even DODGE for that matter. 2. Cat does not want to put ENGINES into LIGHT duty trucks 3. Cats and their parts are more expensive.

You know while your running off at the mouth did you know Dailmer wanted to put their diesel into the DODGE HEAVY DUTY PICKUPS but did a survey and discovered that hardly anyone would by a Heavy DUTY DODGE pick-up with out Cummins which doesn't matter to me as NO dodge REGARDLESS of what motor is going to be sitting in my damn driveway. ( i can personally count the number of HD dodges with that GUTLESS Hemi on hand) so know it would not help Neither dodge nor ford by offering CAT as it would only be more of a finacial burden (which neither can afford) and drive the price of these damn trucks up further.

I'm just saying that you guys should get that your going to be seeing a CAT under the hood of your superduty anytime soon.. IN fact if you would just do a little bit of research you would find that FORD has already started a program to put their own engine under their own damn truck which IMHO should have been done 20 years ago. SO this will be International's last engine in a Super-Duty ( Thank GOD

 

Ok Junior, you and your infinite 17 years of wisdom, feel free to correct me.

Where are you getting this info? I can guarantee that CAT could supply all of the Big 3 if it was in their best interest to do so, its called profitability, thats how business's work, when you get to college you will learn that in any 100 level business class. Cummins and international can do it and they (supposedly, I am fairly nuetral) make a lesser motor than CAT?

Possibly because they havent had a reason too. With the contracts with Cummins, International, and Isuzu the Big 3 CAN'T put a CAT into Light duty trucks as it would be an infringement of their contract. (Again you will learn this in college).

In the Heavy Duty market yes. But if they mass produced a Light Duty motor(odds are it wont be the 7.2, probably somewhere in the 6.0-6.7 range) the demand would be far higher and the price of parts would go down due to saturation of the market (simple economics I hope you have learned in high school).

I have heard that, I have yet to see the survey however.

Ahh yes "with out Cummins" You proved my point. Dodge has the hottest deisel market as of right now DUE TO THE CUMMINS NAME. And if CAT is sooooooo much better wouldnt it make sense for more people to go to Dodge strictly for CAT. Just read around in these Forums, almost everybody here prefers a CAT over anything else, I bet there would be a lot of ship jumpers if Dodge got CAT (most likely scenario).


First of all, the Hemi is NOT a gutless motor, for gods sake it puts out over 345 horse, I dont know what you def is of gutless but mine is sure WAY under 345 horse (and dont give me that high winding crap, anybody with any sense knows it is BS). Second of all I have already explained the financial aspect of it.


Not a super duty, maybe a Dodge HD, but none the less, I agree it will be no time soon.

I have to wonder how good they engine the develop will be? I mean they couldnt even figure out how to BUY a good deisel engine, let alone make one from scratch, who knows though, perhaps it will be a success, I sure hope so. I hope they do a better job with it than their 5.4 and 4.7 modulars.

Navistar has done a good job with Ford deisels UNTIL the '03-'04.5 6.0's, it destroyed all credibility. I currently own a '07 6.0 and I like it alot, but it wont touch a CTD is low end power (essential for pulling).

The 6.9 was a good rig, as was the 7.3, had Ford given a more heads up on the need for a new motor the 6.0 wouldnt have been a cobbled together mess.

Further more, you have alot of nerve to attack me on these boards and try to damage MY credibility. I call em like I see em, I am not ignorant on matters, I present my opinion and common sense, if you dont like it dont read it.

 

DUDE your totally confused.... maybe you should turn on the news sometime and see how bad the economy is right now,( hell the predicting a recession for crying out loud) how inflation is rising.. and how FORD NOR DODGE are in a position to do what you are suggesting I'm not calling you out but CAT will never happen i'd bet my life savings along with my left nut.

I guess I'll have no choice but to do now.. .

DO some reasarch and you can find this info... and FYI i do study and know very much how business work ... It would not be in there best interest (CAT) to BUILD a facility HIRE MORE WORKERS.. etc to come into a dying market you HAVE been watching new vehicle sales lately haven't you. Big trucks aren't selling up to expectations with the high price of fuel and such

Because they CAN'T even if they wanted to... THey would have TO DEVLOP a WHOLE NEW motor To comply with emission standards.... DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TIME MONEY AND EFFORT THAT TAKES....WAY WAY TOO LONG


do agree here but get it out of your head cause it aint happenin

Hmm i dont remeber you saying you were the head of chrysler... What the hell difference does it make if YOU saw the survey

EXACTLY DO TO THE CUMMINS NAME NOT DOG.(DODGE). It would not do dodge ANY GOOD to go through all the effort spending all the money to pick-up a "few" more sales....DODGE has had a perfectly good relationship with cummins for the last 20+ years so why give it up... again if anything YOU will see a dalmier engine under the hood (that's if they don't sell them off).. it doesn't matter what the idiots on the forums are saying as they aren't reliable and generally don't know what the hell they are talking about *cough cough*I think the MAJORITY off the SUPERDUTY Guys want a RELIABLE DEPENDALE LONG LASTING FUEL EFFICENT diesel and dont' give a DAMN about what name is under the hood which is why we end up with a ISUZU powered CHEVY (not a whole lot of name recognition there)

SHIIID the hell it ain't I'm guessing you've never tried to pull 11,000 pounds with one...TOTALLY WORTHLESS POS The V10 would kick its ****.. and don't say we can't compare the v10 cause we can... DO you know what the hemi puts out at the wheels.. i'm guessing not by that statement..AND if you knew more about trucks you would know that it is TORQUE and where it is placed in the powerband That is more important than all the horsepower in the world...hense why the hemi is GUTLESS look where all its power is. at the top.. How many of us pull at that kind of RPM EXCEPT when PASSING OR Merging..

YOU WILL NEVER I REPEAT NEVER SEE A CAT IN A FACTORY MADE DODGE HD EVER.. WHY WOULD DODGE DUMP CUMMINS AND GO TO CAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY CAN"T EVEN SELL THE TRUCKS THEY ALREADY.. HELL DODGE IN THE SITUATION THERE IN WILL BE LUCKY TO MAKE
ANOTHER HD LET ALONE A NEW ENGINE.

Have a brand new 4.6 and couldn't be happier. the 6.0 is not ford's fault entirely.. hell they've had a 30 year relationship with them that really up until now wasn't that bad.. i hope it succeds to and i like you want to see all of the big 3 survive
yes but from every test and truck i have seen that 6.0 is one bad mother-shutur mouth and the ford's pull ahead in SPEED as well as in capability and besides all these truck have MORE than enough power for what we use them for..

100% agree here though they were good rigs but with the damn epa shoving this crap down there throat NONE Of them are good as they used to be. except maybe the chevy that 6.5/6.2 or whatever it was called was just down right pitiful

It's not really nerve its just i'm trying to point out some mis-information that you gave.. and you can feel free to do the same to me that's how we learn from our mistakes. and yes i am still learning and trying to do the best i can with the little bit of knowledge i got.

 

Oh I get it, so you are the only reliable source for all this information. Irony, try looking it up in a dictionary. Your not helping yourself out here by calling everyone idiots. Just a thought.....


Thanks for the blantantly ( sp? ) obvious statement. How many people want to buy a 40 -60K truck that isn't dependable. I guess this proves your "idiot" statement above.

Can't understand how you can justify comparing towing with a V10 and V8 Hemi. I'm going out on a limb here and going to say the bigger displacement motor will produce more power. This covers your "don't know what the hell they are talking about" statement.



WHATS WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON! YOUR DOING A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO PROVE YOUR POINT!


Ok, so when someone points some of YOUR mis-information out, don't get your p**ties in a knot. Do you own CAT? How credible is your source of information?

 

No I'm not

You are completely missing the point, I'm not talking about if FORD or DODGE would want to do it, read my posts real slow and see if I said "Dodge should get CAT right now because they can afford it

Once again you missed the point and you can keep your left nut, I have no use for it. As aggressive as you are I am guessing it must be an incredibly dark shade of blue right now.



Yep no choice to look like an idiot, none at all.





Yes, its VERY obvious you study business and know how it works. (I hope you picked up on the sarcasm)

If they were under contract all the money that goes into it would be covered by the contractor, therefore they would be covered.

Once again I have said nothing about sales, all I said was that IF CAT was to go with any of the Big 3 IT WOULD BE Dodge due to their reputation of good deisel selection. Speaking entirely hypothetical.



If the money was right they could, and they would. Yes it would take time and effort, but no more so than any other diesel engine on the market (I hope they would take more time than Navistar with the 6.0 however)





For all you know I might be the head of Chrysler, you arent doing a good job discrediting me. The difference of me seeing the survey is that it might make me a little more gullible to your arguement.



Like I said, I was speaking entirely hypothetically, I'm not saying Dodge will drop Cummins ASAP to get CAT, I dont see it happening. But if CAT wanted into the market I dont think they would accept a contract from Ford.


Agreed

Now you are speaking hypothetically, are you a chrysler CEO?


Duh



Nope, but have pulled a 9750 lb boat with one without effort

No they arent, you are being ignorant now.

Yes it would, its also way bigger and has 2 more cylinders

You can compare it to the V10 make no mistake, its just not a fair comparison. A fair comparison would be to put it next to the 5.4, where it is superior.

Not specifically, but I bet its about the same as the 5.4 and more than the 4.6

If you knew more about trucks you would know that HP is derived from Ft lb tq and RPM, you cant have a whole lot of one without the other.

HAHA, you say this and compare it to the V10, I own a V10 junior, and it winds WAY higher than a hemi ever could think of going, but it will still pull like a pro. Dont use double standards in an arguement, it doesnt work.



You will see a CAT in a Dodge long before a Ford

I'm glad you are happy with your 4.6, I hope it lasts for you (though I doubt it will). And yes I agree the 6.0 fiasco wasnt ALL Fords fault, just mostly their fault.

You made a comment about low end tourque earlier and me not knowing anything about trucks. With that in mind you should realize that the CTD makes all its tourqe at about half the RPM's of the Ford. My last puller was a '04 CTD 6 speed 3500, my new puller is '07 Ford 6.0 auto 3500, Ford rides nicer and drives nicer but I wish it would pull like the Dodge.






You re-read this entire thread and see if I gave any misinformation. You wont find any. You sir, need a few pointers on debating somebody.

 

Didn't say anything about being upset... i'm perfectly fine i can take critisism every now and then.. NO i don't own cat ( i wish ) unfortunately all i own is a lousy lawncare service and 2 FORD trucks.. and take my info for what you want to take it for I only get mine from the best.

 

I can respect your view on this. The only point you make that has no merit to it is the V10 vs V8 comparison. It's like comparing the comfort of sitting in a leather recliner vs sitting on a bike with no seat........especially for the example of towing 11000 lbs.

 

dude i dont want to be up all night correcting so I'll let you do that

 

Now lets just remember to refrain from any personal comments now

 

Yes sir it wont happen again

 

Thanks!!!

 

ok smiggs in all seriousness i dont understand why i cannot compare it to the v10 please explain i dont understand.. It's the top offering from ford and the top offering from dodge and only a $600 option

 

You're a poo-poo head.

Tim

 

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