Actually I remember what you are talking about, I believe it was the 3208 Turbo they were trying to make fit. I've seen a 3208 N/A in a 82 C-30, and it was not modifed inside, but I think it had to have some serious front end suspension work to hold such a massive engine.

CAT is the king of truck engines. They make good power, are reliable, and are easy to maintain and work on. There is not a spot you can't reach on the Cat 3208 in our dump truck. The DT-466 is good as well, but requires more attention than CAT's, mainly peripherals such as , we used to have a IH Loadstar 1900 with a DT-466. The Cummins are just too finicky to deal with, my uncle used to have one in a IH flatbed about 10-12 years ago.

 

oh cool i had no idea those F-650's/F-750 had the bigger inline 6's pretty cool, wish i could put one of those in my EX :0
http://www.meadowlandford.com/ford-f...ngine-spec.htm

 

If the 3208 was the plan, I an very glad that they decided to go with the D-max.

 

We've had no trouble out of our 3208. Even the local fire department has 2 3208 powered trucks.

 

Its very funny to see these responses to engines. In my line of work, being a professional, I get a lot of responses of how different engines work, how they over power one over the other, and who's "better". As for the Cummins 5.9 engine, there are many different models of the engine. The older 6BTA engine with the Stanadyne pump and the Bosch VE. Both very decent engines in there own applications. Then the horsepower goes up with the bosch in-line P7100 pump, the down fall of this engine was the pump was stuck in one timing position making it a little tempermental, white smoke and acidic burn to the eyes. Then Cummins made the ISB engine, again the downer is the feul pump. The Bosch VP44 pump requires fuel to lube it and the lift pump failed often, which it then took out the injection pump. The common rail ISB is a better performer with infinite timing of fuel.

Now to compair this engine with a cat, well, really no contest. Caterpiller makes their engines for there specific aplications. There very exspensive to repair and as far as the 3208, just like the B series engine, just a throw away engine. I've installed two B series engines in different aplications, both engines replaced were big blocks. Very little mods were needed to make it fit. Mostly add ons from Cummins itself. Now the only thing to really put on perspective is the size of the engines. Cat engines won't go in a pick-up with out complete redesign of the engine compartment and cab mounting. It would be like trying to put the Cummins 8.3L engine in a Dodge, won't fit. The C-series engine is four inches taller and longer, (approx). The weight alone is around 1200 lbs! The 6CTA 8.3L engine is in the same class as the 3116, 3126, DT466, power stoke, and the duramax. Debate this if you like, but if you compair cubes of the engines, the 5.9 engine is only 360 cubic inches. This engine is capible of 660 lbs-ft of torque within emissions!

Now if your going to degrade the Cummins, do it with in the proper classifications. Now also remember, I work with diesel engines. Caterpiller makes great engines, so does Detroit, John Deer, IH, Deutz, Lomberdini, and Cummins. Just remember to put them in there proper classifications. Big block engines will out perform a small block, yet with the right stuff, the smaller will over come!

 

Welcome to the site bs480ac!!!


Managed to dig up an old one here!

 

If Cat ever started making engines for pickups, they would take over the market on their name alone. They have an unbelivable amount of name recognition. I am not saying that they are or are not better because I honestly don't know but the market is theirs for the taking.

As for why they don't make pickup engines now, why make engines that you're gonna sell for $10,000 each when you can make heavy equipment that you sell for $400,000 each?

 

I'm sure you did hear that...people say the darndest things. Kinda like the ford owning cummins thing...

Tim

 

I'm sure if Ford wanted to fit a Cat in the F250-F450 It would be very possible. The problem is Ford has designed their trucks around the POWERJOKE. Putting a Cat in makes too much sense for Ford to do. It would cut into their profits.

 

I work on diesel generators. The Cat and Cummins engines are good engines. I work on both of them, the biggest being a 3516 Cat. It is 16 cylinders, and needs 2 starter motors to turn it over, also uses 4 batteries per engine. The Cummins engines I work on are the 855, and the 5.9. The only problems I ever have on the Cummins is the water pump. The Cummins inline engine is one of the best out there. I like both the Cat and Cummins engines. I used to work on Crown buses, and they had Cummins inlines in them. They were also very good. They were mated to a Fuller Roadranger 10 speed. Those were the good old days.

 

Do any of you think that CAT if given the chance would make a Diesel for Ford? And do you think they could make an engine for the superduties? I would buy one in a heart beat with a CAT in it. If the SDs had a CAT in it, Ford would own the Diesel pick up truck market! I think ford should consider it, but it would be a heffty price for Ford and anny1 who wants to buy the SD with the CAT in it.

 

To continue about CATs my dad works for Amtrak and i refueled one of the Diesels, my god men its a V16 CAT HUGE ENGINE they showed me the pistons on it Whoa i tell you they are about the size of a computer screen.

 

I think the real reason that they did not try to fit the Cat into the smaller trucks is because of emissions requirements, I am sure that they are a little more lax when it comes to trucks in the class of the F-650/F-750...

 

I dont think it would be feasable for CAT. Ford has soiled their diesel name with the '03-'04.5 6.0 and it will be a blackmark for awhile. CAT would want a smoking hot diesel market to jump onto.... if they go with anybody I would say they would go with Dodge... if they do that not only will they be with a brand that has a long line of fantastic diesels, the public would view it as "Cummins is good but the CAT must be way better" given the competition value of it, I dont see them going with FORD (although it would be pretty sweet).

 

well if ford cant get CAT then no one can have CAT, if anyone needs a better diesel its Ford. The new 6.4 is a good diesel i think, but Ford needs somehting alot better, and im sure CAT or Volvo can make a diesel for Ford.