[QUOTE=pickup_man]i tell you what purplewg thru all my years driving chevrolas i never had any problems and the reason cause i maintain it by changing the oil and etc. and where i live i drive a 2004 Chevy Crew Cab dually with the Duramax and i haul cattle witha three axle trailer from where i live to the stock show rodeo here in South Dakota and thats a 200 mile drive, i mean when i see and read these sites i thought i was in a kids forums i see a 18 year old boy trying to find out how to bash[QUOTE]

Pickup_man, if you read back I quoted someone who said the GM's had NO problems like the PSD's. I got to thinking that the Duramax is relatively new also so I thought maybe there was something the owners were complaining about so I took a look. Sure enough I saw buybacks and other issues just like the PSD. Maybe not as many as the PSD as DM doesn't sell all that well statistics show. Many more PSD's and Cummins are being sold so by percentage I would expect more problem reports based on shear numbers. I too haul cattle but my terrain is flat (FL). This is my second PSD and I expect it will service me just as well as the last one did. I am glad you like your DM and hope it never gives you any problems.

 

Yeh this competition thing is hurting the big 3 as far a s diesel motors are concerned. Putting motors in production to soon without fully testing them. WE DONT NEED ANY MORE POWER> WE HAVE ENOUGH. Improve the motors you have and forget about any more power increases.

 

I gotta say, about 3 weeks ago, my wife and i went up to the Beach, Litchfield, down from Myrtle beach In SC. We took the Excursion of course, we were killin time on a saturday afternoon, waiting for this little Italian Cafe to clear out so we could eat there for Lunch. We pulled into a Large Ford dealership and Began looking Around.. Originally we stopped Because My wife Liked the new thunderbird style, But I began Looking at Tauruses, etc.. because Eventually I want a nicer Car than My Escort Wagon for a work Car.
The Salesperson Came out we talked, he left, his sales manager came out. We started Talking about Cars, and that led to kids (needed 4 doors). He jokingly asked if I wanted to sell our Excursion because they had bought a Durango 2 years ago, and have 1 child, and are pregnant with twins... So forth so forth so on.. I told him I would Like to trade some day for a newer 7.3.
He said they had just gotten one in on Trade, and went on to say that he wished ford had stayed with the 7.3. That The 6.0 has been a Horrible Experience for his particular Dealership..They Occupied alot of his technicians time. He said, They Run good, have great power, Pull good, But they are very quirky and alot of people just dont want the annoyances .. On his Lot were 2 used 6.0 Diesels, one an 03, another an 04 (im not sure the build dates, never looked) They were both traded on V-10 F-250s. He said that they had some problems the customer didnt care for (wouldnt elaborate) but said tha they had been all taken care of now..

Spoke worlds to me, However I do figure by late 04 the 6.0 will be straightened out and be a good motor and hopefully be as reliable as the Duramax and Cummins

Ron

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[QUOTE=purplewg][QUOTE=pickup_man]i tell you what purplewg thru all my years driving chevrolas i never had any problems and the reason cause i maintain it by changing the oil and etc. and where i live i drive a 2004 Chevy Crew Cab dually with the Duramax and i haul cattle witha three axle trailer from where i live to the stock show rodeo here in South Dakota and thats a 200 mile drive, i mean when i see and read these sites i thought i was in a kids forums i see a 18 year old boy trying to find out how to bashYou will however read back where I said I was not ignorant enough to thing that all duramaxes were problem free I did not sya the Duramax had "NO" problems.. OF course anything with a motor is CAPABLE of having problems, after all there is the factor of human error, etc..
I just havent seen the Duramx Motor Threatened with a class action lawsuit, make national news for problems, or for that matter, I havent seen GM look at it and just say " I dont know what the hecks wrong with it" as Ford did with the 6.0 for a while.

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[QUOTE=ktmguy70]Is all He said, she said, I want FACTS, Give me the facts that the Duramax is a Horrible engine? Im intelligent enough to know that not every DM has lived a happy life with 0 problems,

Ron, as you can see you did indeed state "I want FACTS". I just tried to supply some as I had not really looked into the GM stuff. Also if you read the rest of my post above you will also see where I cut and pasted another message where GM stated they didn't know what was wrong with this guys truck.
I am not trying to be smart here Ron but maybe you get a Duramax then you can report back to us in a year or two as to it's performance. My 03 motored 04 runs like a top, gets great milage, out pulls my old Turbo 7.3 so I'm happy.

 

[QUOTE=purplewg]PLease tell me though where I said the Duramax had NO problems as you said in your post? The difference in looking at a TRUCK and not knowing how to fix it, is entirely different than looking at your new diesel engine line and throwing your hands up in the air. Sure People are going to get a 6.0 and have zero problems, sure customers are going to get 200,000 miles out of them.. But AS A WHOLE.. They seem Way more problematic than any diesel on the market.
I want them to get it straightened out, I want one.. I have said that many times, I want a Diesel Excursion in the Future for Better Mileage.. However I will Not put my money down on an 03-04 6.0. Anyone else, your money, go ahead, be my guest.
As for the Max, if it was offered in a burb, id be there in a Heartbeat..
Until then I'll Hold onto the Excursion.

Ron

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I like the pun here Ron. Good one!

 

That's something I can agree with. When I think 'Legendary' some of the Cummins motors and Fords 7.3 litre come to mind...

 

You know I'd LIKe to say I said that intentionally..L I never even looked at it like that until you said something..L

Ron

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I sense some 'brand-hatred' here so I won't respond to that in kind.
New diesels with the inter-cooler are comparibly cooler running motors vs there gasoline counterpart. I guess I can agree with the fact that the intake air can reach temps of 1,400 degrees.
Is there anybody here that has 525,000 miles on original motor parts? Any brand? I'm just curious how often this happens. I personally have seen a Ford 7.3 with over 300,000 original miles - good motor.

WXboy what is your experience with deisel motors? Just curious as I see your listed on this site as owning a Ford Ranger. Are you basing your comments on fact or just brand bashing?

 

Yea 525,000 miles is pushing it, but no doubt someone has seen some out there.. Its also no surprise to see 300,000 on a 7.3. But Honestly Even that Im sure is above what the average person could expect out of one. My old Neighbor has an old chevy he uses for Work, 305 with a 5 spd 4-wheel drive. Last I heard I think he was around 225,000 miles with only a new clutch.
I KNOW thats not the norm!! Besides this day and age, most people get rid of them way before their life expires.

Ron

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Let's just get this here out in the open: Any vehicle will reflect the owner. If the owner does preventative maintenance and keeps it lubed and fueled right, it will last. Sometimes you get a lemon that just came from the factory with little gremlins in it that won't go away!! But generally speaking, no matter what it is; Ford, Chevy Dodge, gas or deisel; it will only run as good as it is maintained.

 

Posted by Thenrich;

WXboy what is your experience with deisel motors? Just curious as I see your listed on this site as owning a Ford Ranger. Are you basing your comments on fact or just brand bashing?
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I should let WXBoy respond to this, but I simply can't help myself .

Yeah Rich he does have experience with diesels. Both Ford and Dodge from what I've read. I remember reading a few of his posts awhile back when he and his father were buying their first Cummins Dodge. Being a Ford guy through and through, he was openly detesting his pops decision to fellow Ford members on this site, and was recieving support for his convictions as well. If you read many of his recent posts you see a trend taking place - the longer they have owned the Dodge, -the more he's grown to like it and respect it . And not just the Cummins engine either- but the whole truck as well. Now you will often see this; WXBoy-> <- other enthusiasts, about the Cummins Dodge...lol. That motor will make you a believer, trust me I know. There really is nothing that can compare with it. The 7.3L was good, and the 6.0L seems to be working itself out. The Duramax is a fine motor as well IMO, but that Cummins still has almost as much displacement with only six cylinders. The inline configuration is simple and in itself is more suited for low end torque (true of gas or diesel) I've seen the pictures comparing the Cummins rod with those of the PSD and Duramax. Considering that the pistons, lifters, valves, and crank are all in purportion to the rods, it is easy to see that the Cummins has far stronger internals than the others do, and they are better balanced as well. I can't say that these facts matter all that much in these GVWR/GCWR applications, but they are still facts nonetheless.

WXBoy has also had a few good things to say about GM - very few, but he did nonetheless. He likes SLA in comparision with Ford's dated I beam front end - and I agree with him.

All these diesels should last well over 300,000 miles without a hiccup, as long as they are properly maintained. My father owned two vehicles in 1972. A 1972 Chevy C20 with 350 engine and SM465 4 speed, and a 69 Caddy. In 1979 he had the same truck and bought a new Ford LTD station wagon. In 1985 he replaced the station wagon with a new Ford van, and had the same truck. In 1986 he finally decided to buy a new truck - by this time the Chevy had over 489,000 miles on it, and was pretty shot out. He bought a new 86' Dodge D250 318 / NP435 4speed - and complained that there was too much plastic in it, and that the only manual transmission on the lot also had AC in it. It was all my mother could do to convince him to get a new truck to go with the new van we had. Trucks were not a status symbol to him, as they are to many people today, it was a work tool- he would have much rather used the money for a downpayment on a new lincoln car, but the 9000.00 price tag, along with the fact that the Chevy truly had no more life left in it, finally convinced him to just be done with it and move on. That Dodge had seen some severe use, and just died about 3 years ago - my brother crashed it.

Wrote a friggen book.

 

More Props for Cummins:

I work on airplanes for a living--the KC-135 Air Refueler--and we often have to tow them around for parking, etc. Our tow tractor has a Cummins 6 in it with a top speed of maybe 25mph if you're lucky. But these airplanes can weigh up to 300,000 lbs. And we have to tow up hill and also on snow and ice. These tractors go in for minimal service and have given us many many hours of trouble free service. The biggest problem I ever saw one have was hydraulic failure of the steering. I had been towing the planes around for about three years before I finally paid attention to what was under the hood, and I was surprised to see something so small with that big "C" stamped on it actually do the job.
If I HAD to buy one of them noisy deisels, I would most likely choose one with a Cummins in it.

 

You speak worlds here, unfortunately way to many of us drive around without paying attention to Maintenance and normal wear and tear, thenare quick to complain when something breaks, or fails us..

Ron

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