WXboy & turbo TED
Thanks guys- I am only 18 years old, so I will be the first to admitt I do not know everything, but I believe that if you support a company its nice to have as many facts against the competition as possible, not just through in the towl, like some others seem to have suggested.

 

patrickgw

Sorry for the lack of maturity. I see that when I buy I try to keep it as domestic as possible. I am just trying to support and American made company. If Chevy used a company like international, cat, or cummins, that would be repectable.

 

How many chassis cab trucks does Chevy sell compared to Ford? I think this says a lot. Almost all of the chassis cab trucks I see on the road are Ford PSD's.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MUDN69
patrickgw

Sorry for the lack of maturity. I see that when I buy I try to keep it as domestic as possible. I am just trying to support and American made company. If Chevy used a company like international, cat, or cummins, that would be repectable. [/
QUOTE]
MUND69; Thank you for buying american made no sob story but
10 years ago I lost my job because TEXAS INSTUREMENTS decided to cut cost's & go make all of the custom manufacturing
items in taiwan [ I made a killing on the stocks 2 for 1 splits but
look at the over all picture] Also look at the amount of police
vehicels in fleet service, several people that I know do work for the city here private contract & the city it self & these guys say that the only issue with the crown vics is the brakes seem to
produce alot of brake dust. turbo ted
ALWAYS BUY AMERICAN MADE ITS JUST BETTER.

 

I'd enjoy a debat on buying only American or being open-minded.

Possably this is a good idea for a new thread.

 

The Dura max says "Izusu motors made in japan" right on it. I don't know were the original poster's friend gets the idea that the DM is better than the PSD. The teething problems that the 6.0 PSD has had are rather minor compared to the problems that the DM has had. I know a service manager at a GM dealership who has told me some real horror stories about the unreliablity of the DM. These arn't just ECM software bugs, but major broken internal metal parts; like pistons, rods and cranks! They replaced 3 out of every five DM's sold in the first six weeks. I certianly wouldn't turn a DM up past stock HP/tourqe specs with the computor.

 

My buddy is looking to buy a big pickup with a diesel. My buddy being a GM guy, I asked my wife who is a Service Manager for Ford with 20 years experience in automotive service, and a certified Master Ford Service manager, to call her buddy and fellow service manager out at a Chevy and Dodge dealership and ask him about the the reliability of the Chevy trucks, the ones with the Duramax diesel in paticular. He told my wife that the Chevy trucks as a hole are very problem ridden. Weather it be the gas or the diesel motors, theyre everything but reliable. There have been an enormous ammount of notices on the Duramax diesels since they came out. He went on to say however, that the Dodge trucks with the Hemi gas or Cummings diesel motors are outstanding vehicles. He said a few years ago the Dodges had a reputation for being unreliable, but over the last couple years, Dodge has really turned things around. He said he cant remember the last time he saw a Dodge truck with a Hemi or Diesel in for a drive train problem.

This is very suprising to me. Not because of the Chevys, cause I knew of their problems with their old out dated pushrod technology, but the Dodge thing. I think Dodge makes one of the best looking trucks on the road, and to have a service manager speak that highly of the product is suprising. You wouldnt hear that from my wife about the Fords. Though she thinks they make a good truck, I often hear from her mouth "those piece of junk Fords".

 

To Call BS on this Post.. For one.. GMS diesel out torques the powerstroke with its "OLD TECHNOLOGY" 2.. If there were even a FRACTION of the problems that you guys say there were, 3 out of 5?? Then it would be all over the net, I mean ALL OVER.. Look at the Bad Press the 6.0 has over what you call MINOR problems.. the SEVERE problems you say the duramax has is not documented, please supply facts of people having all of these horrible internal problems you say. I mean its VERY simple to come up with VERY MANY posts on this forum alone about 6.0 problems, please supply me posts from other forums about all these DM problems.
I dont know what the Big Deal is, you know this friend likes Chevy, whats the Big deal??? You Drive your Ford, let him drive his Chevy and Everyones happy, Nothing wrong with a little bit of fun poking at each other over what you drive, but to come on here and ask for AMMO to debunk someones prefernce is just childish, I swear sometimes we all act like 8 year olds in here (me included).. My trucks better than yours, yours smokes, Mines quieter, mine has more torque..
For Gods sake Grow up and drive your frecon truck and be happy.

Ron

00 Excursion Limited 4x4 V-10

 

Do you have some links to service bulletons or recalls, b/c if they exist they will be easy to find on the internet.

All of the arguments in this thread rest on two words 'just because'

And the argument that buying ford is better for the economy is a horrible argument too.

 

Chevy has never had a good diesel engine.
The converted 350 Chevy(5.7L.) WAS THE WORST DIESEL ENGINE EVER MADE! I would not own one if I was paid $20,000 a year for owning it.
The 6.2 L. Detroit was not a very good diesel, but noy anywhere near as bad as the converted 5.7. My neighbor bought a 6.5 Detroit. Sold it a month later.
Don't even get me started on the Durajunk.

 

ktmguy70; First of all he [MUDN69] sad he is 18 NOT 8 & needed help with a
know it all not debunking of some one, An old buddy of ours owns a local
towing co, & 1YEAR after he went to the DURAMAX fleet he had, I ran into him again & he tells me TED I thaugh that I hated fords, I have learned to love my old power stroke fleet & I have now learned to not like the GM STUFF
like I used to due to reliability issues & he would not give me any good details, later in the conversation he admited to me that he had converted back to a FORD & POWERSTROKE FLEET. I know how MUDN69 feels sometimes you seem to be the under dog, the outsider,the one that just does not fit in, but I never gave in to their way of thinking & will not ever [H2 is the exception] A local GM dealer added 15k square feet of shop space to their dealership [quoteing them to better serve you I think what they should of said the truth & said we need more room to get all of this junk in doors]. And if we are being childish well you know what they say about children a child & a drunk always tell the truth. turbo ted

 

Is all He said, she said, I want FACTS, Give me the facts that the Duramax is a Horrible engine? Im intelligent enough to know that not every DM has lived a happy life with 0 problems, But compared to the 6.0 I mean come on..I mean go down below and you can See how the Power stroke , is, I mean I have NEVER saw the words Buy back and Lemonlaw so many times in My Life and thats just on THIS site.. National news Because of the 6.0 Problems???... People saying there should be a class action suit? I agree, I sure do I mean After 223 reflashes, the Mileage is Down from New, the power is Down from new, and the noise is up from new, Its said Below that Ford has relases a Bulletin stating that " customers should be told that they can expect less mileage and power " with the reflash...
Now Please tell me the Duramax is having more problems then this?? Its just not documented.. I mean if you have problems and get rid of the truck, then fine, but dont say its because its such a wide spread problem that they are all Junk.. The fact is, the Duramax, and Cummins, both Outperform, and suffered, barely a Fraction of the setbacks that Ford has with the 6.0 powerstoke ( I am however a Firm Believer in the 7.3 which I feel is one of the best motors you can buy).. Then theres the " all new f-150" , Seems Everyones complaing about Vibrations on it?? Then theres the " all new Expedition" that had rearend problems, front end problems, air conditioning problems, Then they screw their loyal customers by having them to pay 250.00 for update brake pads" Can ford not introduce ANYTHING right? I bought our Excursion for one reason, its size, and Im a Fan of the V-10.. But I have to tell you, the quality is just a pity on this truck, the Ball Joints are weak, the Brakes suck, the Door actuators fail on just about every one I have seen, the top Vents fall out of the roof, the seat heaters are the worse in the business, and it cant tow crap without having it sway all over the road..
I can just as easily Come on here and say" My buddy sold his f-250 and got a dmax because of all the problems" See, I am not brand Loyal in any way, I have owned Jeep, GM, a Dakota, a handfull of fords. I drive what fits my need and I like, doesnt matter if its made by GM, Dodge, or ford..
I have Fords now, because, Honestly, My stepfather is the Service manager for a Ford dealership in Fairmont WV, When I lived there, If I needed any parts or service, I never worried about it, and Can still call on him and 30 + years of knowledge as the service manager and get things taken care of when things go wrong with one of my fords, ( I also drive an Escort for a work car)

I tell You what they say about Children, children say what they THINK you want to hear, and drunks, well, they just are the holes driving down the roads killing people, so im not sure where thats relevant..

Ron
00 Excursion Limited 4x4 V-10

 

Even though it's 'FREAKIN ISUZU' they probably have more expereince then cummins and Internation building motors - I wouldn't use that 1.

 

ktmguy70; Well then maybe this is not a good site for you to partaketh in or for that fact to own a FORD, one of the key elements in being a true FORD fan [fanitic] is being loyal to the brand & not straying too far [H2 for me] from
home. Owner loyalties are nearly ONE MILLION STRONG at ford if just half to
three fourths are repeat buyers something is ok or just being done right. You
know QUADDACK is no longer amoung us at FTE he finaly got the picture dont go to his level PLEASE. TURBO TED

 

Let me clarify. My friend (who does not lie) who is a service manager at a GM dealership told me about the problems of 3 out of five blown engines when they first came out. He was explaining too me about the broken metal parts found in the oil pans. He told me that he had to send digital pictures of the damage to GM before they would believe it and send him some replacement motors. I stand behind what I have written. I don't believe this is an ongoing problem and perhaps they have solved this problem by now. Most likely they have turned down the motors a bit by reprograming the ECM, but it illustrates just how close to the reliablity limit that motor is at those power levels. Obviously, GM doesn't want this information bandied about, and I don't want to cost my friend his job, but I do think that people have a right to know. This isn't brand aurguing but inpassionate technical information.