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Originally posted by HeatStroked
I went to the Frantz filter site and I couldn't find to what micron level they filter the oil, no claims.? ????
From the Frantz Site:
"Just how efficient is the Frantz Oil Cleaner/Filter?"
"On the basis of laboratory reports which have been received from independent oil testing facilities, the Frantz Oil Cleaner/Filter is the most efficient oil filter that is commercially available for automotive engines today. Even after many thousands of miles of use, oil filtered through a Frantz Oil Cleaner/Filter will be free of contamination to such a degree that it is considered analytically clean and suitable for further use."
C'mon Frantz, give me micron filtration, not jibberish.
I went to the Frantz filter site and I couldn't find to what micron level they filter the oil, no claims.? ????
From the Frantz Site:
"Just how efficient is the Frantz Oil Cleaner/Filter?"
"On the basis of laboratory reports which have been received from independent oil testing facilities, the Frantz Oil Cleaner/Filter is the most efficient oil filter that is commercially available for automotive engines today. Even after many thousands of miles of use, oil filtered through a Frantz Oil Cleaner/Filter will be free of contamination to such a degree that it is considered analytically clean and suitable for further use."
C'mon Frantz, give me micron filtration, not jibberish.
(Frantz, GulfCoast,) bypass filter will filter down to less than a micron! Which means it could filter out cigarette smoke.. and bacteria!..
Go here and study this site:
http://www.bypassfilter.com/ Ralph Wood is a Bypass
filtration guru and expert for over 40 years!.. Read the FAQ's
And here:
http://www.gulfcoastfilter.com/why.htm
Fleet Mechanic
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I understand the filtering capabilities of the toilet paper, paper towels, etc.
My point was Frantz didn't specifiy the micron level. If it goes down 1 or below then state it. What better way to differentiate your product from the competition then showing and stating technical results. They are selling oil "filtering" aren't they?
My point was Frantz didn't specifiy the micron level. If it goes down 1 or below then state it. What better way to differentiate your product from the competition then showing and stating technical results. They are selling oil "filtering" aren't they?
Logistics Pro
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OK. Not trying to be judgemental here, but do you know how small 1 micron is?
Do you know that OEMs have extensively studied this topic and determined that anything below 40 microns is not detrimental to your engines?
Do you know that OEMs have extensively studied this topic and determined that anything below 40 microns is not detrimental to your engines?
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Originally posted by HeatStroked
Are you suggesting that standard off the shelf filters provide sufficient filtering for long term engines and bypass filtering is all hype?
Are you suggesting that standard off the shelf filters provide sufficient filtering for long term engines and bypass filtering is all hype?
I know that in the 30s and 40s, there was a great debate over whether engines even needed to have oil filters.
While many people run their engines 100,000s miles, the vast majority do not. Most cars/trucks have something major happen that sends them to the junk yard long before the engine gives out.
So what I am saying is that regular oil changes with OEM filters is more than sufficient for the vast majority of people.
For those people, yes, bypass filtering is all hype.
Even for those who run 100,000-200,000, I doubt that a 1 micron filter provides much benefit over an OEM filter, and no benefit at all over a 10 micron filter.
Fleet Mechanic
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I agree, for those who use their PSD's or gassers for everyday commuting, short trips, no loads, etc. the standard filters and filtration is more then sufficient.
Most folks will trade off their vehicles before the 100K mile mark and never realize any benefits of spending the extra buck to extend the life of the engine and other components.
Whoever buys my PSD when I sell it is going to get one heck of a deal.
My problem is I have the extra cash to spend and I enjoy researching, learning and testing products on my PSD. It is my beta testing vehicle.
Most folks will trade off their vehicles before the 100K mile mark and never realize any benefits of spending the extra buck to extend the life of the engine and other components.
Whoever buys my PSD when I sell it is going to get one heck of a deal.
My problem is I have the extra cash to spend and I enjoy researching, learning and testing products on my PSD. It is my beta testing vehicle.
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Originally posted by HeatStroked
My problem is I have the extra cash to spend and I enjoy researching, learning and testing products on my PSD. It is my beta testing vehicle.
My problem is I have the extra cash to spend and I enjoy researching, learning and testing products on my PSD. It is my beta testing vehicle.
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jschira,
I've read where you pull around a show vehicle or two and I'm quite sure you have purchased accessories for that vehicle that weren't really a good ROI except for the personal satisfaction it gives you and regardless of the technical performance benefits of the purchase. Am I right?.
I've read where you pull around a show vehicle or two and I'm quite sure you have purchased accessories for that vehicle that weren't really a good ROI except for the personal satisfaction it gives you and regardless of the technical performance benefits of the purchase. Am I right?.
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This has been a fun and informative thread. I'm not used to oil still being black after changing it. I have a Toyota Sienna, and I change the oil & filter every 3-5000 miles. Even living in a dusty place, the oil still looks good after 5000 miles, it's barely dirty. The first oil change I did on my truck, it looked less dirty than the old oil, but it was a bit of a shock how dark it was. Is that normal for a stock system?
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Originally posted by diesel-lady
This has been a fun and informative thread. I'm not used to oil still being black after changing it. I have a Toyota Sienna, and I change the oil & filter every 3-5000 miles. Even living in a dusty place, the oil still looks good after 5000 miles, it's barely dirty. The first oil change I did on my truck, it looked less dirty than the old oil, but it was a bit of a shock how dark it was. Is that normal for a stock system?
This has been a fun and informative thread. I'm not used to oil still being black after changing it. I have a Toyota Sienna, and I change the oil & filter every 3-5000 miles. Even living in a dusty place, the oil still looks good after 5000 miles, it's barely dirty. The first oil change I did on my truck, it looked less dirty than the old oil, but it was a bit of a shock how dark it was. Is that normal for a stock system?
The black oil means that the oil is holding the soot in suspension. That's what the oil's supposed to do.
Diesel + black oil ===> sooty oil, clean engine.
Gassers don't make a lot of soot. So the oil does not get as black.
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Originally posted by afinepoint
js,
I'm with you. You are trying hard from the common sense angle but people will aways want and buy more than what they need. Advertisers have got to love it.
reg
js,
I'm with you. You are trying hard from the common sense angle but people will aways want and buy more than what they need. Advertisers have got to love it.
reg
If having oil so clean you can drink it is what you want. Go for it.
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From: Phoenix, AZ
afinepoint
I'm with you. You are trying hard from the common sense angle but people will aways want and buy more than what they need. Advertisers have got to love it.
I'm with you. You are trying hard from the common sense angle but people will aways want and buy more than what they need. Advertisers have got to love it.
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