Seems like a rediculously high percentage from one of fifty states, tho I know Ca has more dairy than Wi.

 

SAN JUAQUIN VALLEY should be enough for the under-informed members. The funny thing is is Cali has the best agricultural land in the world yet they are putting sidewalks and pretty little houses on it.

California cows are happier too

 

Interesting. I lived in the Arvada/Westminster area for 22 years, up til this past April.

You ask about culture, have you ever seen the Arvada Center for the Arts? That is the building that looks like they wadded up tinfoil to decorate the sides.........

 

I'd like to see some numbers, (that a normal human could understand) that show how much tax money each of the 50 states send to the federal govornment, and how much tax money is sent out to individual states by the federal govornment, to show what states ride, and what states pull. I'm sure conservatives and liberals alike would be about equally surprised. (and disapointed)

marcrr (robot republican)

 

http://ceres.ca.gov/geo_area/bioregi...ley/about.html
The California Envioronmental Resources Evaluation system. Your statement can not be seen there - though this topic is mentioned.

http://cati.csufresno.edu/cab/rese/97/970501/

The Center for Agricultural Business seems unaware of this as well.

In closing, I am not disputing your statement. But I am unable to find resources to validate it. If you could point me more specifically in the appropriate direction, I would sincerely appreciate it.

TIA.

 

Anyone want to open the CA sponsorship of MTBE as a gasoline additive to reduce emmissions can of worms? As I recall, CA governor Pete Wilson started the practice, with the Federal EPA then jumping on the bandwagon. ARCO was the pioneer, where Mrs. Wilson still enjoys a highly paid position as a company director. Are Santa Monica and other SoCal cities still trucking in drinking water because their wells are contaminated with MTBE? No big deal, but MTBE has contaminated a serious percentage of US groundwater in CA's quest for perfect air.

 

What's good for environmentalists is not always good for the environment.

marcrr

 

The environment was not a key ingredient in the move to MTBE as a gasoline additive. While the emissions spin made it palatable to the public, the ability to replace 10% of refined gasoline with lower cost MTBE and still charge the same price was a bottom line bonanza. Any businessperson would love to have that opportunity, myself included. Hence the old saying 'you create opportunity'.

Now that CA's $50 billion agricultural economy, the state's largest sector, is coming under control of giant agribusiness, mid-west corn will be used as the primary gasoline additive to 'reduce emissions'. CA's electorial votes are at stake and the big guys lobby can move more federal money to CA than CA's demos if the deal is right.

 

Agreed. That's just one example of how environmentalism can be used against the general public, and for special interests.

m

 

A nightmare to unravel due to the fact that all statistics for each component are in government speak where 50 pages are used to pat contributors on the back and define 'adjustments'. Grants and aid are reported separately while revenue sharing other than the highway fuel tax (former trust) is pretty much going by the wayside as Washington struggles to avoid increasing taxes in an election year. You might have noticed that in local tax increases. It gets so complicated that Medicare surplus funds above benefits are allocated, with the proper trade from the state, through direct grants, aid and emergency (supplemental) funding. This is part of what provides various senatorial committee heads with such enormous power as they essentially sign the checks for federal handouts.

If you find a layman's site, let me know. Our government spends a lot of money on polishing numbers and then effectively conceals everything that can't be used for political purposes with ingenious boilerplate.

 

OK, I'll humble myself and clear that up. I usually try to avoid making statements that aren't backed by factual evidence. When I mentioned San Juaquin Valley, It was only based on what I thought was common knowledge. I don't know what the acurate numbers, % wise, are actual production, but am (here it goes) under the impression that California does produce a very large % of the worlds produce. I only meant to agree that Cali does produce lots of stuff you can eat. How's that.
Sorry for the unintentional misrepresentation.

You know, the bashing Cali gets is mostly acknowledged by alot of Californians. I think that is why alot of Cali's are invading adjacent states. Lookin for something better. I hope they keep going you're way and don't see my hiding spot on the way. Not too many people and thats the way I like it.

The weather is good though

 

One other bonus of MTBE for the petrol co's is that it reduces the fuel economy of cars that use it. So the consumer also has to buy more of it. Think about it. MTBE is called an oxygenator. I can get all the oxygen I need for FREE thankyou.

Being a veteran of 7 years living in exile in the PRC (people's republic of california) here's my thoughts:

Reasons to like
1. All the people I met were very hard working and friendly.
2. The weather is very nice. Only place I know that an impatients is a perenial flower.
3. Diversity of the population. It was great meeting people from all over the world.

Reasons to bash
1. Over population
2. cost of living. in order to get by the majority of families have to have both parents working.
3. Insanity I bought a 25 year old double wide trailer in a trailer park (renting the space) and sold it for double what I bought it for 3 years later.
4. Cost of housing I now have an acre of land, 2000 sf house, 500 sf out building and 1000 sf garage. What would this cost in any city or major metro area of ca? I paid much much less.
5. Anti smoking laws. I don't smoke and probably never will. But COME ON!!!! Second hand smoke doesn't kill and never has. And these idot nanny laws are being exported to the rest of the country.
6. Paris Hilton nuf said
7. Reality TV
8. CA is a desert. LA is a desert, San Jose is a desert. If they weren't getting their water from Oregon it would all dry up and blow away.
9. Giving drivers licenses and state aid to illegals.

Actually I don't hate CA. I think it is very useful. It is a huge vacuum that sucks all the low lifes to one place where we can keep an eye on them.

 

Now THAT is what I call a well balanced view!

(a certain clue you may need professional help)

 

58% of America's fruit, nuts, produce and vegetables are produced in CA (2002). If you include cotton (the biggest crop), alfalfa and other crops, total agriculture probably would be over 70% of american yields. Over $50 billion in 2002, the largest single CA industry, all because it has the highest percentage of irrigated US cropland.

And they're now having to sell that water to the cities for consumption. Get the message?

 

That must mean AZ and NV are at the exhaust end of that vacuum and we get.....