Notices
1999 - 2016 Super Duty 1999 to 2016 Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Real Truck

EVAP and milage issues

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 18, 2024 | 02:01 PM
  #1  
csilks's Avatar
csilks
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
Joined: Jul 2024
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
EVAP and milage issues

I just bought a 2015 f-250 with the 6.2 L gas engine and 201,000 miles. It had been a fleet truck with 3 previous owners. When I was looking at it the owner said occasionally it was hard to put gas in it and he didn't know what that was about. Driving it home it showed a prompt to tighten the gas cap. I did but that didn't change anything. The first time I checked the gas milage. It was getting under 9mpg after going 65 or slower with no load or towing. The previous owner said they were getting around 14 when I asked.

Soon after the check engine light came on. I had it checked and the DTC code was P0442 (EVAP) system leak (small leak .04-inch). Suggested parts are Canister Purge Valve/Solenoid. I replaced the gas cap in case it was cracked or bad gasket, but it wasn't that. I asked a mechanic friend about it and he recommended getting it smoke tested to determine where the leak is. He said, you could spend a lot of time and money replacing things before finding the leak. Finding a place that can do that would be over an hour away at a ford dealership at a rate of 200 dollars an hour for diagnostics. Does anyone have trouble shooting advice besides giving the system the smoke test? Or, is a smoke test the best option? Also is it bad for the engine to be running it with a EVAP leak and would a EVAP leak affect my gas milage? I'd hate to replace the canister purge valve and solenoid and find out it wasn't that. The truck is running smooth and starting easily.

Regarding the poor gas milage, I don't know the condition of the plugs or the last time it had a tune up. I cleaned the air filter and the tires pressures are good. Any suggestions on troubleshooting that? It seems 9 or below mpg is awfully low for no load or towing or city driving . I live at 7800 ft, could high altitude be dooming me to low gas milage. The previous owner was driving at altitude as well and reported 14mpg.

Any thoughts on either of these issues is appreciated. Thanks
 
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2024 | 02:38 PM
  #2  
rvpuller's Avatar
rvpuller
Moderator
Veteran: Coast Guard
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 6,517
Likes: 910
From: Home Base Nebraska
Club FTE Gold Member
If you didn't reset the code after replacing the cap it will take awhile for it to clear if that was the problem. The evap system doesn't check the system continuously just ever so often, can't tell you how often. The slow filling check the rubber hose where it goes between the frame and bed to see if it's collapsed. Check all the hoses and connections for the evap system including the tank vent line. If you don't have a reader that can clear codes just disconnect the battery for a couple of minutes to clear it.

Denny
 
Reply
Old Jul 19, 2024 | 07:38 PM
  #3  
masonlift's Avatar
masonlift
Mountain Pass
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 208
Likes: 103
From: Abbotsford
Plugged evap cannister can cause slow filling gas tank
 
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2024 | 10:19 AM
  #4  
csilks's Avatar
csilks
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
Joined: Jul 2024
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Thank you, I haven't had a problem filling the tank although I've only put gas in a few times so far. The previous owner mentioned that he couldn't fill the tank so he had to drive it up on a block to do it. That made no sense to me, especially since it was a sporadic or occasional issue. Somehow something seems wrong with pressure in the gas tank or system,which I think could be consistent with an EVAP leak?

I'm trying to find out the best way to track down the EVAP leak and if the smoke test recommended by a mechanic is the best way to go. Also doesn't under 9 miles mpg seem abnormally low? I'd love to hear how anyone has found or addressed an EVAP leak?

Thanks
 
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2024 | 12:25 PM
  #5  
bajaphile's Avatar
bajaphile
Laughing Gas
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 893
Likes: 255
From: San Diego, CA
Unless there is a common failure point, they are generally pretty difficult to find. I'd start checking the soft lines running to EVAP cannister. Not sure where EVAP is on this truck, but hopefully it is towards the rear near the tank. I've had a cannister clog on a different vehicle which caused abnormally high gas tank pressure. That pressure increase would then potentially amplify the leak.

I made my own smoke machine with PVC plumbing parts, a resistive wire, tiki torch wick and baby oil. You can google/youtube how to make one! Only takes a few mins to make and less than $50 in parts. You then can connect it to regulated air pressure from a compressor and pressurize the system. It works for finding intake leaks as well. For the tank, you may need to sacrifice a gas cap or find a suitable EVAP line you can connect to.

My opinion is that the EVAP leak wouldn't affect gas mileage, but who knows. I would probably replace air filter, fuel filter, spark plugs (pull one and just check condition first) and clean your MAF. You can also try just disconnecting the battery for a few mins and see if that resets the computer fuel mapping.
 
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2024 | 03:48 PM
  #6  
Don Ridley's Avatar
Don Ridley
Fleet Mechanic
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,312
Likes: 443
Club FTE Silver Member

You have a high mileage truck that has a lot of electrical components (modules). You will eventually need a good scan to to do any work on this vehicle. Now is a good time to get Forscan and learn how to use it. The software is free and a very good adapter is about $100.

Next you should read up on how the EVAP system works. It's complicated. Here is a good resource but there are many more across the Internet.
https://www.motor.com/magazine-summa...ation-testing/

Using your new understanding of the the EVAP system and Forscan you can troubleshoot by looking at data like the fuel tank pressure, purge valve status etc.. This takes some effort and homework but in short time you will have the tools and knowledge to tackle any future problem. As a bonus you can use Forscan to look at fuel trims and other items that affect gas mileage.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ces-index.html

 
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2024 | 03:58 PM
  #7  
masonlift's Avatar
masonlift
Mountain Pass
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 208
Likes: 103
From: Abbotsford
Originally Posted by csilks
Thank you, I haven't had a problem filling the tank although I've only put gas in a few times so far. The previous owner mentioned that he couldn't fill the tank so he had to drive it up on a block to do it. That made no sense to me, especially since it was a sporadic or occasional issue. Somehow something seems wrong with pressure in the gas tank or system,which I think could be consistent with an EVAP leak?

I'm trying to find out the best way to track down the EVAP leak and if the smoke test recommended by a mechanic is the best way to go. Also doesn't under 9 miles mpg seem abnormally low? I'd love to hear how anyone has found or addressed an EVAP leak?

Thanks
I average about 10 mpg per my Fuelly app but 90% of my driving is pulling a 4K trailer in city for work or 3k camper in bed for fishing. Should average 12 to 14 empty driving
 
Reply
Old Jul 20, 2024 | 03:59 PM
  #8  
masonlift's Avatar
masonlift
Mountain Pass
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 208
Likes: 103
From: Abbotsford
Originally Posted by csilks
Thank you, I haven't had a problem filling the tank although I've only put gas in a few times so far. The previous owner mentioned that he couldn't fill the tank so he had to drive it up on a block to do it. That made no sense to me, especially since it was a sporadic or occasional issue. Somehow something seems wrong with pressure in the gas tank or system,which I think could be consistent with an EVAP leak?

I'm trying to find out the best way to track down the EVAP leak and if the smoke test recommended by a mechanic is the best way to go. Also doesn't under 9 miles mpg seem abnormally low? I'd love to hear how anyone has found or addressed an EVAP leak?

Thanks
I average about 10 mpg per my Fuelly app but 90% of my driving is pulling a 4K trailer in city for work or 3k camper in bed for fishing. Should average 12 to 14 empty driving Evap canister is above spare tire
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-3

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-5

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-9

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Jul 21, 2024 | 11:54 AM
  #9  
csilks's Avatar
csilks
Thread Starter
|
3rd Gear
Joined: Jul 2024
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Thanks, good information and advice.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dave1969
1983 - 2012 Ranger & B-Series
16
Dec 24, 2017 08:11 AM
Ford'05HG
1983 - 2012 Ranger & B-Series
2
Oct 26, 2016 09:10 AM
cw_mi
Excursion - King of SUVs
13
May 5, 2015 11:05 PM
tseekins
1997 - 2006 Expedition & Navigator
10
Apr 7, 2015 02:30 PM
reflections
1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
3
May 7, 2009 08:27 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:48 PM.

story-0
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-30 18:33:59


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-2
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-4
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE