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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 07:07 PM
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No noise from the engine when it has zero psi does not make sense, something is up. What type of aftermarket oil pressure gauge do you have?
 
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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 11:48 PM
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Its a bosch 2" mechanical gauge 0-100

Like I said, when pressure drops to zero, I shut it off immediately
 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gerk3
Its a bosch 2" mechanical gauge 0-100

Like I said, when pressure drops to zero, I shut it off immediately
Does that guage have a sending unit and an electric guage or does it read actual oil pressure?
 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gerk3
Its a bosch 2" mechanical gauge 0-100
Does it look like either of these?:








I'll repeat my suggestion to check the accuracy of your gauge. For either gauge, the difference between 0 and 5 is about one needle's width. I can't find any specs on accuracy, but 5% of a 100 PSI scale is (wait for it...) 5 PSI. For a consumer-grade product, I bet any manufacturer is very happy with 5% accuracy.

In addition, mechanical gauges are most accurate at the top of the range. That's why they have that little pin to stop the needle from moving below zero. For the sake of argument, let's say new gauge is reading 5 PSI low, uniformly across the entire range. For example, 50PSI indicated is actually 45, but this is of little concern as either value is good. When you shut off the engine (actual 0 PSI), the needle would want to go to negative 5 indicated, a big clue it is inaccurate. Instead, manufacturers add that little pin so the needle never goes below zero. They don't want you returning the product as inaccurate when it's actually operating with specifications.

My theory is if you're trying to discern the difference between 0 and 5 PSI, you're asking the gauge to do something it was never designed to do. Analog multimeters are the same way. You're supposed to select a range so the needle is near the top of the band for the most accuracy. If I'm trying to measure 12 volts, a 0-15V range is ideal, not 0-100V or 0-500V. Obviously the "range" is fixed on an oil pressure gauge, but maybe one with a 0-50 range would be better suited. In lieu of that, I'd connect 5 PSI of shop air to the gauge and see what it reads. If you don't have a compressor, a simple bicycle pump would work fine.

 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 11:58 AM
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Yes, mine is that one 2nd down in those pics.

I have a box of different gauges. I could try to see if I have one that has a smaller range.
Yes, I do see that it really could be 5 and not zero when I look very closely at the gauge.
I will also try to hook up 5psi of air to the one I have in there.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 12:15 PM
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The pin on the 100 psi guage is set at 3 psi. I'd say it's at least +/- 3 percent accuracy. The confidence interval even higher.

You know your oil pump is running and does very well on a cold start up. No knocking? Drive it! I wouldn't put any Lucas in it unless it leaks oil too. It does stop leaks.

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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kr98664
Does it look like either of these?:








I'll repeat my suggestion to check the accuracy of your gauge. For either gauge, the difference between 0 and 5 is about one needle's width. I can't find any specs on accuracy, but 5% of a 100 PSI scale is (wait for it...) 5 PSI. For a consumer-grade product, I bet any manufacturer is very happy with 5% accuracy.

In addition, mechanical gauges are most accurate at the top of the range. That's why they have that little pin to stop the needle from moving below zero. For the sake of argument, let's say new gauge is reading 5 PSI low, uniformly across the entire range. For example, 50PSI indicated is actually 45, but this is of little concern as either value is good. When you shut off the engine (actual 0 PSI), the needle would want to go to negative 5 indicated, a big clue it is inaccurate. Instead, manufacturers add that little pin so the needle never goes below zero. They don't want you returning the product as inaccurate when it's actually operating with specifications.

My theory is if you're trying to discern the difference between 0 and 5 PSI, you're asking the gauge to do something it was never designed to do. Analog multimeters are the same way. You're supposed to select a range so the needle is near the top of the band for the most accuracy. If I'm trying to measure 12 volts, a 0-15V range is ideal, not 0-100V or 0-500V. Obviously the "range" is fixed on an oil pressure gauge, but maybe one with a 0-50 range would be better suited. In lieu of that, I'd connect 5 PSI of shop air to the gauge and see what it reads. If you don't have a compressor, a simple bicycle pump would work fine.
Karl, I was just about to write basically the same thing you said. You sir are a real time saver!
 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 01:13 PM
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I probably should post this on the Tools, tools, tools....thread, but I recently got a Makita inflator where you can set the pressure to what ever you want. I was wanting an on board inflator and looked at various types, that plug in the cigar lighter with a long cord etc. But heartily endorse the makita inflator. I also tried a neighbor's Ryobi inflator. Another good choice.
 
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Originally Posted by BigBlue2
Karl, I was just about to write basically the same thing you said. You sir are a real time saver!
No argument there. All compliments gladly accepted, but you forgot to mention I look good and smell nice, too.
 
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What would be the easiest, most accurate way to hook the oil pressure line to the inflator?
 
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Heres the latest test.
3 gauges.
1st at startup
2nd at 1000RPM in park (when fully warmed up)
3rd in drive with foot on brake approx 600 rpms (fully warm)





 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kr98664
No argument there. All compliments gladly accepted, but you forgot to mention I look good and smell nice, too.
I didn't forget. I didn't want to be redundant as i figured you would remind us...
 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 03:28 PM
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When you say mechanical gauge, to me that means there is a line with oil in it from the engine to the gauge. Is that what you have ?

I don't see how you can have zero oil pressure and no engine noise, as others have said.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 03:28 PM
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Guage appears to read low at low RPM. At least it shows an increase with 400 more RPM. The rule of thumb is 10 psi per thousand RPM, warm. How are you determining RPM?

For testing your guage you'll have to put together some plumbing. Guage to Schrader valve fitting most likely.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gerk3
What would be the easiest, most accurate way to hook the oil pressure line to the inflator?
You may have to cobble some fittings together. Can you unthread the tire chuck from the end of the inflator hose?
 
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