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Absolute Truth - is there?

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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:36 AM
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Absolute Truth - is there?

I'm just curious as to what some of you have to say.... I think I know what many of you will chose, but my questions is this:

Do you believe in absolute truth...that being that the truth is the same in all cirumstances, for all people, at all times?

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Do you believe that truth is relative to the cirumstances around you?

this oughta be good
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:42 AM
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I voted subjective.

For most things in the Pig Pen it's the only way to go IMHO.

However, 2+2 will ALWAYS equal 4. Some things are absolute in nature.

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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:52 AM
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To quote a very wise man (I would like to stay on the good side of): "the pole is flawed. There are not enough choices. Where is "both"?"

But (more) seriously; I honestly believe there are both types of truth, and I feel I see them daily.

FWIW.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by Waxy
For most things in the Pig Pen it's the only way to go IMHO.

However, 2+2 will ALWAYS equal 4. Some things are absolute in nature.

the first statement kinda sounds like a copout to me

if some things are absolute in nature...then which ones are and which ones aren't? how do you decide?
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:55 AM
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Great question!!!


If I may add...


What is Truth? Is truth subjective? Or is truth absolute?

· Depending on which path you take, is there any common basis to truth?
· How do you know if you know truth?
· How can you get truth?
· Is truth even attainable?
· Is it possible to get it and not to understand it?
· What if you don’t accept the truth does that mean that it’s not truth?
· Is truth based on knowledge?
· If so, then more knowledge = more truth?
· Is truth always right?
· Who decides what is truth?
· Is truth relational?
· Lots of paths to wander to, so I'll stick with the opening question, “What is truth?

This is the topic of all topics and of course my answer is... absolute!
 

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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by ctfuzzy
Where is "both"?"

how can there be both? Is it not one way or the other...come on now...I know a lot of you guys can be black /white on subjects....why do we need both? and as I asked waxy, if there is both, how do you know which to listen to and when?
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:58 AM
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Great question!!!


thanks...I taught on it the other night and I think my teachings even surprised some of our "members". I got to thinking...man...Now here is a question for the pig pen group.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by fisher_of_man
the first statement kinda sounds like a copout to me

if some things are absolute in nature...then which ones are and which ones aren't? how do you decide?
That's why I voted subjective.

Waxy
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:05 PM
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fisher _of_man,

in 20 words or less:

"Have you NEVER spoken the absolute truth, only to find out later it was not?"
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:19 PM
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funny you should ask that....because that was actually a question I asked our youth the other day...if you find yourself in a situation and speak out the truth...and then a day or two later in different situation it doesn't fit was it truth to begin with?

I haven't voted yet...but I think you guys know where I stand..I believe there is one absolute truth...and this is where my youth kinda freaked on me...

I asked about abortion...they all agreed its wrong. I asked what about if the woman was raped or if it cost the mother her life? then all of a sudden the absolute didn't seem so much so to them. According to that truth, then abortion is wrong no matter what the terms are....
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:25 PM
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Carpe suggested that I study the sum of Western thought before he would discuss this with me. I haven't quite finished yet but if you will allow me:

If the statement "There is no absolute truth" is true, absolutely, then it is false.

If it is false then there must be "absolute truth".
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:27 PM
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Somehow, I had the feeling this was a setup !

Anyway, there *are* situational truths, and absolute truths. I am not rying to sound argumentative - just assertive - because I have had a lifetime full of them, and I have to think you have too.

Could there BE "light in the loafers" religious leaders that kept their "jobs" if this were not the case?
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:29 PM
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Carpe suggested that I study the sum of Western thought before he would discuss this with me. . . .
Oh MAN!! That's harsh!!

You must be from California or something !!
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:33 PM
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Somehow, I had the feeling this was a setup !

Anyway, there *are* situational truths, and absolute truths. I am not rying to sound argumentative - just assertive - because I have had a lifetime full of them, and I have to think you have too.

Could there BE "light in the loafers" religious leaders that kept their "jobs" if this were not the case?
no setup intended...I'm just curious whether or not the FTE crew believes in absolute truth. I for one do...and because of that...it leads to some very hard solutions. By the same token...it also takes some of the grey issues and puts them back into black and white.

I'm not saying that we haven't screwed up and that many have had a hard time following this "absolute truth". However, I also believe that far too many people believe that the truth is totally based on all the circumstances involved and that what is true today in one situation may be totally false tomorrow in another situation. I believe that this is evident in the society that is rapidly changing around us. yesterday it was true...today it is not...yesterday that was false...today it is true. My question is if you subscribe to the "no absolute truth theory"...when do you know what is true and what isn't? where do you look to for support of the truth? how is it true now and wasn't before?
 
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Old Nov 24, 2003 | 12:38 PM
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I have a colorblind friend who went out and bought a shirt. He showed up to a party that night wearing a pretty pink shirt.
When everybody clowned him, he said "What? This shirt is gray!"
True.
Anyway, his girlfriend picks out his clothes for him now.
BDv
 
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