Belt Problems, Looking For Advice
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Idk if you know the series 2 3800 from gm but this engine has a LOT of pulleys and 2 serpentine belts.. so when I bypassed my AC comp i was hoping I could short belt it. sadly it being on the outer poart of the routing makes it harder to do that.
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if its been running on the stop, which it has, its bad
Laughing Gas
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I am not sold on the 5.8w shortbelting arrangement. I know many have had good luck with it but so far I'm not liking the tension and the way it runs from the crank pulley to the alternator. I've tried enough different belt sizes that my local auto parts store is ready to ban me I think, lol. My top idler was toast when I eliminated my air pump so I thought I'd give it a try. But I just ordered the mustang bracket, the same pulley that you linked for the OP as well as a new top idler. I'll be going back to stock routing hopefully this weekend if everything arrives in time(Canada so no next day shipping for me).
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Tuned
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I don't know what running on the stop is, but I can assure you that the tensioner has not been at either extreme, so if that's what "the stop" refers to then you are making weird assumptions that aren't correct. You do that a lot.
Is there any way I can get you to stop doing that? And to stop throwing in unnecessary jargon? I've asked you before not to comment on my questions, and I've looked for a way to mute/ignore you. I doubt you mean to be rude, but using jargon when English will do is always rude, and making assumptions is always rude. Please, please stop.
So this question is still open - does anyone know a way to test (not assume, but test) if the tensioner is still good?
Is there any way I can get you to stop doing that? And to stop throwing in unnecessary jargon? I've asked you before not to comment on my questions, and I've looked for a way to mute/ignore you. I doubt you mean to be rude, but using jargon when English will do is always rude, and making assumptions is always rude. Please, please stop.
So this question is still open - does anyone know a way to test (not assume, but test) if the tensioner is still good?
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Tuned
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I am not sold on the 5.8w shortbelting arrangement. I know many have had good luck with it but so far I'm not liking the tension and the way it runs from the crank pulley to the alternator. I've tried enough different belt sizes that my local auto parts store is ready to ban me I think, lol. My top idler was toast when I eliminated my air pump so I thought I'd give it a try. But I just ordered the mustang bracket, the same pulley that you linked for the OP as well as a new top idler. I'll be going back to stock routing hopefully this weekend if everything arrives in time(Canada so no next day shipping for me).
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Tuned
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I am not sold on the 5.8w shortbelting arrangement. I know many have had good luck with it but so far I'm not liking the tension and the way it runs from the crank pulley to the alternator. I've tried enough different belt sizes that my local auto parts store is ready to ban me I think, lol. My top idler was toast when I eliminated my air pump so I thought I'd give it a try. But I just ordered the mustang bracket, the same pulley that you linked for the OP as well as a new top idler. I'll be going back to stock routing hopefully this weekend if everything arrives in time(Canada so no next day shipping for me).
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I don't know what running on the stop is, but I can assure you that the tensioner has not been at either extreme, so if that's what "the stop" refers to then you are making weird assumptions that aren't correct. You do that a lot.
Is there any way I can get you to stop doing that? And to stop throwing in unnecessary jargon? I've asked you before not to comment on my questions, and I've looked for a way to mute/ignore you. I doubt you mean to be rude, but using jargon when English will do is always rude, and making assumptions is always rude. Please, please stop.
So this question is still open - does anyone know a way to test (not assume, but test) if the tensioner is still good?
Is there any way I can get you to stop doing that? And to stop throwing in unnecessary jargon? I've asked you before not to comment on my questions, and I've looked for a way to mute/ignore you. I doubt you mean to be rude, but using jargon when English will do is always rude, and making assumptions is always rude. Please, please stop.
So this question is still open - does anyone know a way to test (not assume, but test) if the tensioner is still good?
on my new tensioner for my 4.9 I put marks because it had no notches. but it has a wider swing than the original dayco design
Im not using some kind of insider knowledge or niche language or technical words in saying "stops"
that is what it is called. it has a limit to side to side rotation in both directions, the limit is called a stop.
A tensioner that operates on the stop will ruin itself.iits holding a LOT of force and a lot of shocks and a lot of torque and all this is going to wear springs out. especially when the spring is not middle of travel where it can absorb this. The belt is also going to be ruined an the bearings on other puleys start to go to.
If you are having trouble connecting what im saying to the topic at hand, that is not on me.
Laughing Gas
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Part # Ford Racing M8604A50
I also ordered the pulley (to swap out with the smaller one that comes on the mustang bracket) and top idler from amazon too.
There were multiple Canadian online part places that carry the mustang bracket so I'd assume its readily available in the USA.
As to your tensioner concerns. Mine was running near or on the stop(max extension) with my short belting efforts. But once I swap in the parts to go back to a factory belt and routing I'll re asses where it is in its range of travel before replacing it. A tensioner is assessed/evaluated as Auroragirl has described, besides the obvious of ensuring the bearing is good and it spins smoothly with little resistance.
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I ordered the air pump delete bracket form amazon.ca.
Part # Ford Racing M8604A50
I also ordered the pulley (to swap out with the smaller one that comes on the mustang bracket) and top idler from amazon too.
There were multiple Canadian online part places that carry the mustang bracket so I'd assume its readily available in the USA.
As to your tensioner concerns. Mine was running near or on the stop(max extension) with my short belting efforts. But once I swap in the parts to go back to a factory belt and routing I'll re asses where it is in its range of travel before replacing it. A tensioner is assessed/evaluated as Auroragirl has described, besides the obvious of ensuring the bearing is good and it spins smoothly with little resistance.
Part # Ford Racing M8604A50
I also ordered the pulley (to swap out with the smaller one that comes on the mustang bracket) and top idler from amazon too.
There were multiple Canadian online part places that carry the mustang bracket so I'd assume its readily available in the USA.
As to your tensioner concerns. Mine was running near or on the stop(max extension) with my short belting efforts. But once I swap in the parts to go back to a factory belt and routing I'll re asses where it is in its range of travel before replacing it. A tensioner is assessed/evaluated as Auroragirl has described, besides the obvious of ensuring the bearing is good and it spins smoothly with little resistance.
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Tuned
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I ordered the air pump delete bracket form amazon.ca.
Part # Ford Racing M8604A50
I also ordered the pulley (to swap out with the smaller one that comes on the mustang bracket) and top idler from amazon too.
There were multiple Canadian online part places that carry the mustang bracket so I'd assume its readily available in the USA.
As to your tensioner concerns. Mine was running near or on the stop(max extension) with my short belting efforts. But once I swap in the parts to go back to a factory belt and routing I'll re asses where it is in its range of travel before replacing it. A tensioner is assessed/evaluated as Auroragirl has described, besides the obvious of ensuring the bearing is good and it spins smoothly with little resistance.
Part # Ford Racing M8604A50
I also ordered the pulley (to swap out with the smaller one that comes on the mustang bracket) and top idler from amazon too.
There were multiple Canadian online part places that carry the mustang bracket so I'd assume its readily available in the USA.
As to your tensioner concerns. Mine was running near or on the stop(max extension) with my short belting efforts. But once I swap in the parts to go back to a factory belt and routing I'll re asses where it is in its range of travel before replacing it. A tensioner is assessed/evaluated as Auroragirl has described, besides the obvious of ensuring the bearing is good and it spins smoothly with little resistance.
Your info about the tensioner is helpful. AuroraGirl didn't actually explain anything, she just said that if it's near the "stop" something, it's bad. But she didn't say what that was, and if that term referred to either extreme, then it doesn't apply to my situation. My pulley has been running at a comfy middle. So your information was useful, thank you.
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Very helpful, thank you! That's a completely different part # than the one I have been looking for.
Your info about the tensioner is helpful. AuroraGirl didn't actually explain anything, she just said that if it's near the "stop" something, it's bad. But she didn't say what that was, and if that term referred to either extreme, then it doesn't apply to my situation. My pulley has been running at a comfy middle. So your information was useful, thank you.
Your info about the tensioner is helpful. AuroraGirl didn't actually explain anything, she just said that if it's near the "stop" something, it's bad. But she didn't say what that was, and if that term referred to either extreme, then it doesn't apply to my situation. My pulley has been running at a comfy middle. So your information was useful, thank you.
the belt was extremely stretched, the new one couldnt go on no matter what, and your old one kinda just falls off when cold. Im sorry but thats not comfy middle
I also did explain the stops thing, you just have to ask clarifying questions early on instead of getting mad later in the same conversation when you still dont understand. I cant read your mind. I also did explain it after your last pissy post in greater detail but thats whatever.
Im sorry you dont like me but you are seriously being very childish. Like Ive said before im not going to go out of my way to avoid you and will thus chime in and be helpful where I can, but youve also gotten numerous helpful things out of me the past few months or whatever and you probably dont like that. Just be an adult, you dont have to like me but you dont have to be a dick.