Read this sentence aloud to someone you trust, and ask them if it sounds insulting.

 

He's a mailman, self proclaimed and being the aggressor. No I don't see that as an insult. I see it for how it's meant, an acknowledgement of his employment and an opinion.

 

Sounds degrading to me. I would lock this thread down.

 

Calling a mailman a mailman is degrading? Did I fall into the Twilight Zone or something?

I think you're trying to stir up something that's not there.

 

I'll just leave this here as an example of an insult...

 

A description of an action that should be taken when certain subjects are discussed is not an insult. Trying to gaslight me won't work. Cherry picking part of a conversation out of context like that IS insulting.

 

I'm not calling out anyone in particular. All I'm saying is let's take it down a couple notches or this thread will get locked.

 

Ford EV program collapse

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That was fun- if you happened to see it, well god bless

 

'The American public is not ready': Ex-honcho at Ford, GM and Chrysler says hitting Biden's electric vehicle sales goal by 2030 'is just not going to happen' — here's why he's unconvinced

'The American public is not ready': Ex-honcho at Ford, GM and Chrysler says...

 

Now before anyone accuse Bob Lutz of being an octane obsessed oil addicted dinosaur, he was heavily responsible for the development of the Chevy Volt plug-in, so he is "with it", so to speak.

 

Are we really talking about this guy?

Bob Lutz: Tesla is “Going Out of Business” - 11/21/2017

 

I disagree. It's not the American public that is not ready. It's the EV that is not ready. Imagine going back in time and promoting whatever ICE's preceded the Ford Model T the way the EV in its current form is being promoted now...we might not have seen the Model T. We would have wasted too much time and effort on the wrong version of ICE. The EV needs to be re-imagined before it can be ready for success. I'd like to see some type of EV be widely successful. At the present, we're jamming a square peg into a round hole.

 

^^But it seems to me Tesla seems to have grasped the EV concept and is currently delivering vehicles the general public is buying---or do I have that wrong?

 

I think that proverbial round hole is a charging network that doesn’t inspire confidence. After my experience with an outstanding Kia EV6 that was hobbled by poor public charging, I wouldn’t consider anything but Tesla.

That car was an engineering marvel with better build quality than anything else I’ve owned. I think the cars are there, and demand will follow as price declines and infrastructure improves.

I made a big bet yesterday morning that Ford and Tesla will follow through next spring. I expect more will follow once that happens.

 

Ah yes, 2017. The time when the automotive press was overwhelmingly confident that once Ford and GM got in the EV game, their century of experience in automotive manufacturing, smooth supplier network, scale of operation and efficiency would flood the market with mass produced, cost effective and reliable EVs with tens of thousands of dollars each in federal, state and local incentives in mass quantity to drive Tesla out of business in short order. LOL.

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Did it not seem things were bad? I mean, if a car company lost over 600 millions in a quarter and only produced 260 low cost models, who wouldn't say perhaps they are headed somewhere not great. Fortunately Ford and GM and out there now showing us how it's done with their hundreds of thousands of sub-40k EVs widely available to anyone who wants one.