Must not be that obvious if you can't answer the question. All I'm saying is I would expect to see the charging infrastructure installed before they deliver any trucks. Then again, knowing the way the post office does things, they may start delivering trucks to the vmf's and stack them in the parking lot to sit 6 months before supporting them. By all means though do explain what I'm missing that's so obvious. If you can without getting political that is.

P.S. it's ok to say you don't know.

 

In my opinion, discussing EVs in this day and age inherently begs to invite talk about government mandates, incentives, subsidies, etc. It's hard wired, see what I did there , into the discussion. Are other vehicle manufacturing plants, petroleum extraction/refining, etc subsidized? Absolutely. But with EVs, the government is currently advocating for the replacement of one form of transportation for another. This is not the government's place. To discuss the topic isn't political per se. To blame one elected official or another, stand on your hill and point fingers at those on another hill, or simply enter into partisan bickering is political, and no one wants that here. Go to you favorite news source for that.

That having been said. Petroleum is going nowhere. It's needed for our modern day to day existence, and for the chemicals and synthetics it produces, from plastic to polymers to even "vegan leather". Petroleum is a strategic resource that our country needs to defend itself. War can not be waged with electric tactical vehicles. Although nuclear powered, electric driven warships are the way to go.

Our country should absolutely look into small scale nuclear power across the country rather than large scale regional power plants. Our electric power infrastructure is antiquated and in many areas deteriorating. Many areas rely on hydro electric power plants that are nearly impossible to update or replace due to the dependency on them, combined with the cost and time involved. Windmill farms installed to satisfy government grants are being left unmaintained or sold off once the grants are fulfilled leaving windmills in place, that are in many cases, more expensive to maintain and repair than to replace. Solar farms are an insignificant contributor to the power grid, but are maintenance intensive. The panels are subject to damage and need constant cleaning to maintain efficiency.

It's my opinion, and that of many others, that a full transition to electric vehicles, given the current state or the power grid infrastructure as a whole, would be impossible. It seems that the government coercing the auto manufactures and the buying public into electrics is akin to putting the cart before the horse. We are near the point with our infrastructure of a "Don't worry about the mule, load the wagon" type of mentality. I understand that modern municipal, governmental and manufacturing have moved form constantly improving to being complaint driven when it comes to quality control and maintenance. In my opinion, the citizenry is getting tired of seeing nothing being done until something is broken. People will be up in arms with pitchforks and torches when the power keeps going out, and those outages last longer and longer. We are seeing the same tactics with auto manufacturers building and selling what are essentially beta testing models, taking the attitude that if a problems arise that they will be taken care of in the warranty period and then TSBs can be issued to avoid all out recalls.

Anyway, those are my opinions, observations and experienced comments. A civil discussion/argument doesn't bother me. Advocating with a near religious fervency for one party/candidate/incumbent over another is what I consider "political". Turning an argument by taking a perceived moral high ground while pointing down to other is also something I don't tolerate well. That having been said, candidate/incumbent/party bashing or advocacy is what will get you sent to banned camp. Discussing governmental regulations/mandates/subsidies, etc, as it relates to the topic at hand wont, with me anyway. I think the rest of the staff here has a similar way of thinking.

 

What roasts my nuts is everyone crowing about subsidies when ever this subject comes up like it's something special when they don't even realize fossil fuel subsidies out strip any ev subsidies. Just last year we topped $7 TRILLION just on fossil fuel. https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Article...ord-7-trillion

Everyone needs to stfu about subsidies. Both sides get them.

 

Trying to Keep Six EVs Charged Drove Me Mad

Trying to Keep Six EVs Charged Drove Me Mad (msn.com)

 

- Petroleum products--used to build or as building blocks for nearly everything--will be in use for 100's of years.
- ICE's will likely go the way of the horse and buggy in 100 years or so.
- EV's with their current battery pack are a novelty with no chance of making it out of their niche market without government help.

Foul language and far left propaganda will not change things. (Vast majority of those petroleum "subsidies" in the cited link are implicit...meaning they aren't actual subsidies.) In order to move forward, we need to have rational, fact based discussions.

 

If you don’t want an electric pickup truck, you shouldn’t buy one. To use the infrastructure of today to complain about the truck of tomorrow is silly. I’d bet anyone on here a nice steak dinner that a gas truck will be available when you’re ready for your next truck.

Interesting article. I like Road and Track, but I don’t agree with his conclusion. I hate constantly mentioning Tesla because this is a Ford forum, but they’ve scaled their charging network faster than EV sales. I’ve posted maps of all of the new Superchargers in my area, and Tesla sells more EVs in Minnesota than every other automaker combined. It’s not even close, but I haven’t seen a full Supercharger since early 2020. Going out west last month, I saw stations with over 25 charging units, and only 1/3rd of them full.

It’s a helluva lot easier to build an EV charging station than a gas station, and Electrify America is the worst example to base impressions on. That network has worse reliability than any consumer service I’ve ever seen, and their dysfunction drove me back to Tesla last year. Others are more reliable, but they have a ways to go. I wasn’t willing to own a Lightning until they agreed to use Tesla’s charging network.

Going back to the thread’s topic, I think the biggest obstacle to EV sales is the sorry state of the charging infrastructure as it sits. That’s going to change really quickly as Tesla’s network opens up next year. One EV charging equipment provider is already taking preorders for a Supercharger to CCS adapter that starts shipping in January. Everyone and their sister is building new EV chargers in the coming months and years, so I expect the network of 2025 will look very different from the network of today.

 

Bad players use petroleum to subsidise some pretty evil stuff.
How much $$$$$ do you think we spend to combat them?

 

Actually, no one here needs to shut up about their opinions or concerns, unless it has to do with a political party or a politician/candidate for office. Everyone has as much a right to enter the discussion as you do.

Nothing any of us type here is going to be read or taken to heart by anyone that matters anyway. No bureaucratic agency head reads posts here to gauge the winds of popular opinion or to find insight, nor do those in positions of power in any auto industry C suite, nor anyone looking for a plank for their election campaign.

If anyone truly want to be heard, write, email or knock on the door of those who you wish to hear those concerns, grievances, comments and complaints.

 

The ones using subsidies as an arguing point should, it nullifies their argument.

 

Are you saying in your view, the federal, state and sometimes local financial incentives to buy EVs, charge with publicly funded chargers, and installing home EV chargers should not be mentioned when EVs are being discussed?

 

I know you get all wet between the legs for anything electric and that's fine. The dealer's lots aren't exactly loaded with EV's, citing supply chain issues which is the reason why the electric mail trucks haven't started production yet. Apparently I gave you too much credit.

What the PO does to prepare for the EV's isn't my problem or my concern. My concern is safety for the carriers but the entire program is being held up DUE TO SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

Is that not political enough for you?

 

Don't go postal on me bro, or is it just in your nature that you can't help it. You're simply speculating what might be the issue. The way you were talking about it, I thought you had concrete evidence. My bad.

 

LOL... You guys are too funny.

 

Every time you get in front of a key board, you have to insult which is why you were run out of the club.

The reason I just gave you was the reason listed in the quarterly postal rag that I get from the Richmond district which also has been the reasons heavily used by the car builders themselves. How is that speculation?

 

Show me any where in this thread where I insulted anyone mailman. You need to chill out. The only insults in here have come from you. Perhaps you might share a photo of the article for the benefit of those that don't have access to this "rag" you speak of or are we all just suppose to believe words a stranger types on the Internet? Not that I don't trust you, I don't trust anyone.