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Old Aug 12, 2023 | 04:45 PM
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Hi I have flat towed my 1999 E350 XLT club wagon on neutral from AZ to CA 800 miles and now the D and reverse are making a clanking clank noises and not moving but the second and first gear is functioning properly what did I do wrong ? Or what could be wrong?
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Old Aug 12, 2023 | 07:26 PM
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Nothing a new transmission won't fix. Your towing in neutral limit is maybe 50 miles at 35 mph if any at all.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2023 | 07:41 PM
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What's wrong is that the trans was destroyed by towing all those miles with no lubrication. Without the engine running there is no lube to the back half of the trans, which is the half that was spinning while flat towing.

Next time remove the driveshaft from the rear axle. That will prevent destroying the transmission.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2023 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by inventor
Hi I have flat towed my 1999 E350 XLT club wagon on neutral from AZ to CA 800 miles and now the D and reverse are making a clanking clank noises and not moving but the second and first gear is functioning properly what did I do wrong ? Or what could be wrong?
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Just out of curiosity who advised you to flat tow that vehicle as you did?
 
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Old Aug 13, 2023 | 10:38 PM
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Just out of curiosity who advised you to flat tow that vehicle as you did?
I search the net and what I got is "Ok to flat tow " but what they neglected to mention is the 50 mile limit, I should have done more DD
 
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Old Aug 13, 2023 | 10:40 PM
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Just out of curiosity who advised you to flat tow that vehicle as you did?
I search the net and what I got is "Ok to flat tow " but what they neglected to mention is the 50 mile limit, I should have done more DD
 
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Old Aug 14, 2023 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky
What's wrong is that the trans was destroyed by towing all those miles with no lubrication. Without the engine running there is no lube to the back half of the trans, which is the half that was spinning while flat towing.

Next time remove the driveshaft from the rear axle. That will prevent destroying the transmission.
Mark:
I have a curiosity question that I never had an expert to ask before:
Does an idling engine provide enough lubrication to the rear of the transmission to be towed in neutral beyond the stated recommendations?

I realize disconnecting the drive shaft is the preferred method of isolation but, if there were a need to flat tow at higher speed or for a slightly longer distance than the suggested maximum, would idling the engine during transport protect the transmission?

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Old Aug 14, 2023 | 03:49 PM
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I would think so, but someone needs to run the test to see if the trans lives to be sure. We never tested that.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2023 | 03:55 PM
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Good luck enlisting volunteers.

Thanks for the response.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2023 | 04:31 AM
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I would think so, but someone needs to run the test to see if the trans lives to be sure. We never tested that.
To me considering it's infinitely easier to temporarily drop the drive shaft than replace a ruined transmission I'd never even look for another way to flat tow a vehicle. Considering a tow truck for anything under 25 +/- miles would be under $100 its just not worth taking a chance "it'll be okay........... as OP demonstrates.
 
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To me considering it's infinitely easier to temporarily drop the drive shaft than replace a ruined transmission I'd never even look for another way to flat tow a vehicle. Considering a tow truck for anything under 25 +/- miles would be under $100 its just not worth taking a chance "it'll be okay........... as OP demonstrates.
This is why those with campers chose standard shift vehicles to tow behind them, drop the drive shaft you gotta strap it up, pull it out of the transmission, out pours fluid, shove it too far up and damage the transmission output seal, its best to trailer them since you will always find something you weren't expecting. Even transfer cases are looking at this same failure when at one time you could use neutral on them for flat towing, don't try it today.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2023 | 05:22 AM
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^^But in all reality how often does the average driver "need" to drop the drive shaft? In the past 30 years I've done it once, way back in 2005 or earlier to flat tow a E-250 435 miles one way.
 
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Old Aug 18, 2023 | 04:29 PM
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A flat trailer might put the load over the capacity of the tow vehicle.

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